Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Old Hippy]

UK looks at free trade deal with China

Take that text, cross out “New Zealand” and replace with “United Kingdom” where appropriate and we’re done. We already know that China’s happy with the text after all. The European Union has problems with such a deal

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/07/24/post-brexit-britain-could-have-a-free-trade-agreement-with-china-before-the-european-union-does/#489cb6273aed

this will keep all the leave people happy, stop competing with polish workers and compete with Chinese workers, from the Australian deal

Of course, China has won its fair share of concessions as well. For example, tariffs will be phased out on 95 per cent of all Chinese imports within four years. Important Chinese exports such as clothes, footwear, household electronics and cars will be tariff free by 2019. Investment from private Chinese firms will be exempt from Foreign Investment Review Board scrutiny for amounts of up to $1 billion. And Chinese investors will be able to have Chinese workers apply for work permits on a case-by-case basis

beware what you wish for, you just might get it

 

[Arwon]

Hey look the new PM ruling out the UK having control of its borders.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...e-out-return-border-checks-between-uk-ireland

 

[Dachs]

Hey look the new PM ruling out the UK having control of its borders.

kinda like how Boris already admitted that they want to keep the free movement of peoples and the common market

aka "the EU"

 

[Arakhor]

Let me distract you from that with two Dinosaur Whiteboard comics:

Spoiler :

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[EnglishEdward]

Hey look the new PM ruling out the UK having control of its borders.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...e-out-return-border-checks-between-uk-ireland

So what, we voted to Leave the European Union, not to abolish
the Common Travel Area between the UK and Eire that predates
the EEC, EC and EU; having been in operation since the 1920s.

 

[EnglishEdward]

UK looks at free trade deal with China http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/07/24/post-brexit-britain-could-have-a-free-trade-agreement-with-china-before-the-european-union-does/#489cb6273aed

this will keep all the leave people happy, stop competing with polish workers and compete with Chinese workers, from the Australian deal

beware what you wish for, you just might get it

As the UK has a massive deficit on foreign trade with China, there is
very little benefit in the UK having a UK China trade agreement at all.

Naïve signing of trade agreements was and is on my top ten list of Brexit risks.

The conservatives signed a detrimental deal in 1972 to join the EEC,
and I fear that they remain incompetent enough to sign one with China.

The issue about Chinese via Polish workers misses the point.
If a Chinese company was to invest £500 M in building power stations,
factories, machinery, hotels etc. in the UK it is not unreasonable that
they should wish to fast track visas for their CEO, auditors, translators
and secretarial staff to visit. Not the same as Poles picking cauliflowers.

 

[Old Hippy]

The issue about Chinese via Polish workers misses the point.
If a Chinese company was to invest £500 M in building power stations,
factories, machinery, hotels etc. in the UK it is not unreasonable that
they should wish to fast track visas for their CEO, auditors, translators
and secretarial staff to visit. Not the same as Poles picking cauliflowers.

No, no, no, they will buy existing power station, hotels, factories, and machinery don't you read about international investments

you miss the point, as dose Phillip Hammond, the new Chancellor of the Exchequer, has said that it would be as easy as swapping the words New Zealand for England as the Chinese are happy with the wording as it is, which dose not surprise me

they are not tourist visas they are work visas
if China buys farms the well might have people to pick cauliflowers, we in Australia, just managed to stop them buying a 'farm' the size of Belgium the week before we signed a free trade agreement with them
I could fill several pages with examples of shoddy engineering work done by China that fails our local standards, and had to be condemned yet high skilled workers are still imported. God knows what got through undetected

 

[Arwon]

So what, we voted to Leave the European Union, not to abolish
the Common Travel Area between the UK and Eire that predates
the EEC, EC and EU; having been in operation since the 1920s.

Uhhhh for significant chunks of that time that border was a militarised humiliation factory...

How do you propose to keep the hordes of EU citizens with right of residency in Ireland out of glorious Albion without a border between you and the EU? Will the Kipper masses who thought the referendum was about kicking it the foreigns be happy to continue to not actually have any ability to block the movement of EU residents into the UK I wonder.

 

[aelf]

I guess Brexiters are okay with almost anything as long as the UK is not officially in the EU. Bunch of Trump voter lookalikes, no doubt.

What fools the working class have allowed themselves to be played for by right wing politicians.

 

[EnglishEdward]

No, no, no, they will buy existing power station, hotels, factories, and machinery don't you read about international investments

Read the news yourselves.

The Chinese already own such via ownership of shares in UK or USA listed companies.

Uhhhh for significant chunks of that time that border was a militarised humiliation factory...

Which was due to terrorists who wanted to change that border by murdering people.

Being part of the EEC, EC did not stop that.

How do you propose to keep the hordes of EU citizens with right of residency in Ireland out of glorious Albion without a border between you and the EU?

What gives you the impression we want to do that?

The issue is about allowing untold millions to come and settle in
the UK which is not the same as preventing them from visiting.

 

[Traitorfish]

Which was due to terrorists who wanted to change that border by murdering people.

Or preserve it. I mean, I know that you've English, and therefore psychologically incapable of recognising the letters "U", "V" and "F" when placed together, but let's try to keep a clear head.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I see everyone's being as sane and level-headed as always in this thread.

 

[MilesGregarius]

They're not terrorists if they're working with the security forces...

 

[Oerdin]

No, no, no, they will buy existing power station, hotels, factories, and machinery don't you read about international investments

you miss the point, as dose Phillip Hammond, the new Chancellor of the Exchequer, has said that it would be as easy as swapping the words New Zealand for England as the Chinese are happy with the wording as it is, which dose not surprise me

they are not tourist visas they are work visas
if China buys farms the well might have people to pick cauliflowers, we in Australia, just managed to stop them buying a 'farm' the size of Belgium the week before we signed a free trade agreement with them
I could fill several pages with examples of shoddy engineering work done by China that fails our local standards, and had to be condemned yet high skilled workers are still imported. God knows what got through undetected

Who cares if foreigners own a farm? The farm doesn't magically get teleported to Chona, the current British owners get paid a price they agree to, and the new owners will most likely invest in the property to increase its economic value as well as to pay the yearly property tax bill. So new money is brought into the country, capital investments are made on property in the UK, and more than likely output is improved. Heck, land prices probably even go up in bearby areas thus benefiting landowners in the community.

So other than nationalist anxiety why be upset?

 

[Takhisis]

Oerdin, usually those trade agreements and humungous land sales come with special taxation arrangements.

Now, it's odd. Leave the European Union… well, the UK had never adopted the euro so there's no change in that, keep access to the common market, free circulation of people, no border controls… am I missing anything?

 

[Arakhor]

The issue is about allowing untold millions to come and settle in the UK which is not the same as preventing them from visiting.

I assume that they're untold because they simply don't exist.

 

[really]

I see everyone's being as sane and level-headed as always in this thread.

It is a small chance (UK officials placing border posts on the island of Ireland and republicans attacking those posts) but it is a terrifying one.

This is what the border in one part of south Armagh looks like by the way:
https://goo.gl/maps/cgYToUktgm92
Don't ask why a farm yard that straddles the border needs diesel tankers.
https://goo.gl/maps/iUuni2EN14v

 

[Old Hippy]

So other than nationalist anxiety why be upset?

isn't this thread about nationalist anxiety and being upset ?
you know, getting back Uk independence and control of their country.

so it would seem odd to have the Chinese army (PLA) start to buy large chunks of English farm agri business and infrastructure
They will become the new darlings of the English establishment, who will fall over themselves to help them invest in the UK

 

[Dachs]

They're not terrorists if they're working with the security forces...

a matter of dates

 

[Kyriakos]

Or preserve it. I mean, I know that you've English, and therefore psychologically incapable of recognising the letters "U", "V" and "F" when placed together, but let's try to keep a clear head.