Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Manfred Belheim]

Sadly, in 2016, that's all we need to know, really.

It's kinda the same on this side of the world as well. Hopefully modern education will make a difference 30 years from now.

I really, really hope that people who hold opinions like you never grow to be the majority. What a totally narcissistic world view.

 

[Arakhor]

And if it is as claimed satisfactory, why did the Remain campaign not explain the benefits of the EU appointment process? The entire negativity of their campaign implies that they were unable to make a positive case for it.

Oh, don't be daft. You're criticising the Remain campaign for being negative? Moreover, you keep mentioning "unelected EU officials" as if this is a scurrilous affair, which sounds like the textbook definition of a smear tactic.

Why would the appointment process being known matter to anyone? The ways of the House of Lords are frequently opaque, but you don't see anyone trying to secede from Westminster because of that. I'm glad that at least you feel represented by the government right now though.

 

[Traitorfish]

The ways of the House of Lords are frequently opaque, but you don't see anyone trying to secede from Westminster because of that.

*polite cough*

 

[aelf]

I really, really hope that people who hold opinions like you never grow to be the majority. What a totally narcissistic world view.

Narcissistic is not the right word at all. Just throwing around random epithets don't make for a point. But we've already seen how the Brexit crowd is incapable of making coherent arguments, so no surprise there.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Narcissistic is not the right word at all. Just throwing around random epithets don't make for a point. But we've already seen how the Brexit crowd is incapable of making coherent arguments, so no surprise there.

If it's not narcissistic to think that your own opinion can be the only correct one, then I don't know what is.

 

[Lexicus]

That isn't what he said at all.

 

[Dachs]

The ways of the House of Lords are frequently opaque, but you don't see anyone trying to secede from Westminster because of that.

*polite cough*

yeah so that is what the Home Rule crisis was literally about

it also ended in a civil war

 

[Traitorfish]

Two civil wars, if we're counting. And another one down the road.

I mean, whatever you think of the EU, it hasn't yet convinced its own citizens to start shooting each other.

 

[Arakhor]

*polite cough*

I assume that the SNP wants to secede from Westminster because it's not Scottish, not because the House of Lords is almost entirely unelected.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

That isn't what he said at all.

No of course not. Just that all you need to know about people over 60 (in order to discount their opinions) is that they're over 60, and therefore haven't been "educated" enough to hold the correct opinion (i.e., yours). But it isn't technically narcissistic because you hold just as high an opinion of your peers who hold the same opinions as you do yourself. Would you prefer "fascist" to "narcissist" then? I'm flexible on the exact label I apply to it, but it doesn't stop it being an awful way to think/feel/behave.

 

[Traitorfish]

I assume that the SNP wants to secede from Westminster because it's not Scottish, not because the House of Lords is almost entirely unelected.

It's one of a number of reasons. The party isn't exactly short of grievances.

No of course not. Just that all you need to know about people over 60 (in order to discount their opinions) is that they're over 60, and therefore haven't been "educated" enough to hold the correct opinion (i.e., yours). But it isn't technically narcissistic because you hold just as high an opinion of your peers who hold the same opinions as you do yourself. Would you prefer "fascist" to "narcissist" then? I'm flexible on the exact label I apply to it, but it doesn't stop it being an awful way to think/feel/behave.

I think "uncharitable" would cover it. No need to throw around all of these -isms.

 

[Lexicus]

No of course not. Just that all you need to know about people over 60 (in order to discount their opinions) is that they're over 60, and therefore haven't been "educated" enough to hold the correct opinion (i.e., yours). But it isn't technically narcissistic because you hold just as high an opinion of your peers who hold the same opinions as you do yourself. Would you prefer "fascist" to "narcissist" then? I'm flexible on the exact label I apply to it, but it doesn't stop it being an awful way to think/feel/behave.

Either of this labels would be incorrect, imo. I would go with insulting, wrong, and unfairly dismissive, but neither fascist nor narcissist applies.

 

[Takhisis]

It is not really necessary for the Leave supporters to be aware of the intricacies
of how EU officials are appointed; because many wished to Brexit irrespective
as to how that appointment process works, but one would rather have thought
that the Remain supporters should at least have ascertained what they voted for.

Wait, so leave supporters criticise a lot of things, but they're not required to know how they work before they criticise them, say, to know whether they work the way they say they work or no?

I assume that the SNP wants to secede from Westminster because it's not Scottish, not because the House of Lords is almost entirely unelected.

We could argue about the representativeness of the UK peerage if you like…

I think "uncharitable" would cover it. No need to throw around all of these -isms.

You mean -ists.

 

[trader/warrior]

Suggest you keep a clear head yourself or are you, being unable to find valid
arguments for subservience to unelected EU officials, merely trying to provoke me.

If Britain is keeping the open borders and common market, I'm sure you'll just love being in the position my country is currently in, having no vote and no say in absolutely anything the EU does, yet still as "subservient" to them as any actual member that gets to vote and represent their countries interest in the EU bodies. The UK has if anything too much say in EU politics and more democratic methods of operating it would likely result in the UK getting less of what it actually wants.

 

[FriendlyFire]

You are off by only about 300 million people there, bub. But go on sharing your important insight on matters

First google result /shrugs
They included Bulgaria which means counted the entire Europe and not just those in the EU.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/europe-population/
http://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-the-eu-by-population/

 

[Takhisis]

The EU is not Europe…

 

[Cheetah]

If Britain is keeping the open borders and common market, I'm sure you'll just love being in the position my country is currently in, having no vote and no say in absolutely anything the EU does, yet still as "subservient" to them as any actual member that gets to vote and represent their countries interest in the EU bodies. The UK has if anything too much say in EU politics and more democratic methods of operating it would likely result in the UK getting less of what it actually wants.

At least less of what the UK politicians want.

I'd say the majority of regular people in the UK would get more of what they want if the UK was a normal EU member and didn't constantly sabotage the democratic reforms inside it.

And yes, our current position is stupid. At least we're inside the EU, but I'd really like to be able to influence EU politics.

 

[Lohrenswald]

So what's being discussed in this thread now

 

[Cheetah]

The EU and the UK leaving it.

Incidentally, here's a video on the difference for the UK between the Single Market and a Free Trade Agreement:


Link to video.

(FYI: The guy in the preview is Adam Smith with the Wealth of Nations, it has nothing to do with the US War of Independence )

 

[Lohrenswald]

The EU and the UK leaving it.

Yea but like how are we not done?

what more is there to it?