Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Arwon]

So is UKIP going to dissolve itself now or just become a regular fascist party?

 

[warpus]

 

[Mount Suribachi]

Well, that certainly makes it easy to justify, doesn't it? "Think of the children... because they can't be trusted to think for themselves."

Looking back, 20 year old me certainly couldn't be trusted to think for myself! I'd have been there with you lot railing against the evil leavers. Now I'm older, maybe a little bit wiser...I certainly don't have all the answers, but I have a lot more life experience than 20 year old me. 20 year old me was a shouty angry idiot who didn't know his **** from his elbow. I see a lot of 20 year old me's on the internet

Then this electorate was a bunch of bloody ignorant idiots, because the EU (well, ECC) existed and was common knowledge at this point, and its founding principles weren't a secret. And if it's "scaremongering" to explain to people they'll join an entity that is about peace and co-prosperity and common governance, then it doesn't speak very well of their fears, and it's another proof they really weren't interested in the EU to begin with.

It was the 70s, there were like 2 TV channels and no internet. Just how well informed do you think the average British voter was, or could have been in 1974? The government of the day urged us to join, saying it was a loose economic and political union for the mutual benefit of all. Those on the outside who pointed out uncomfortable truths like the desire for Federalism or monetary union were shouted down or dismissed as scaremongerers (sound familiar?). Why weren't the UK electorate better informed about monetary union etc? Because the powers that be didn't want them informed about that, because they knew they'd vote no.

 

[Kozmos]

I like how it's turning into a Hearts of Iron alt-history simulation.

 

[red_elk]

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[hoplitejoe]

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A comic from Ben Garrison, favourite of the alt right. Very fitting.

 

[Arwon]

Is that an Onion comic? Or genuine nazism being posted here?

 

[Arwon]

Also can we just take a moment to consider the utter pig-ignorant gall of people in *Britain* of all places referring to this as "independence"

 

[Kyriakos]

Btw, Britain should now return the Parthenon marbles, them being EU hostages immigrants and all...

 

[Lexicus]

"favorite of the alt right" = genuine nazism

 

[Serutan]

I think the Garrison comic was correct, but not for the reasons used. To me the real problem
with the EU is that it's a half measure. If they aren't going to go for full political integration which
I think is necessary for the survival of the Euro, they should just revert back to the Common Market
structure and be done with it.

 

[red_elk]

Is that an Onion comic? Or genuine nazism being posted here?

Well, caricatures of the opposite side are less fun:

Spoiler :

 

[Kyriakos]

(blue=leave)

Mr Juncker went into crisis talks with European parliament president Martin Schulz, president of the European Council Donald Tusk and Dutch PM Mark Rutte on Friday morning.

They then released a statement saying they regretted but respected the British decision.

They called for the UK "to give effect to this decision of the British people as soon as possible, however painful that process may be. Any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty".

They said: "We stand ready to launch negotiations swiftly with the United Kingdom regarding the terms and conditions of its withdrawal from the European Union."

They added that the deal agreed with Mr Cameron in February to protect London's financial markets, curb immigration and opt out of closer union "ceases to exist" and "there will be no renegotiation".

 

[warpus]

Also can we just take a moment to consider the utter pig-ignorant gall of people in *Britain* of all places referring to this as "independence"

It might very well lead to Scottish independence, so maybe an apt term for what happened after all.

 

[Akka]

It was the 70s, there were like 2 TV channels and no internet. Just how well informed do you think the average British voter was, or could have been in 1974? The government of the day urged us to join, saying it was a loose economic and political union for the mutual benefit of all.

What, didn't newspaper and radio existed at the time ? Didn't people pay attention to what was happening on the other side of the Channel ? The EEC had existed for 20 years, are you trying to pretend the UK electorate was dumb enough to have no idea what was the largest and closest community after 20 years of existence ?

Those on the outside who pointed out uncomfortable truths like the desire for Federalism or monetary union were shouted down or dismissed as scaremongerers (sound familiar?).

From the very post you quoted :
And if it's "scaremongering" to explain to people they'll join an entity that is about peace and co-prosperity and common governance, then it doesn't speak very well of their fears, and it's another proof they really weren't interested in the EU to begin with.
If "federalism" is enough to be classified of "scaremongering"... Just wow.

Why weren't the UK electorate better informed about monetary union etc? Because the powers that be didn't want them informed about that, because they knew they'd vote no.

Ah yeah, the Illuminati strike back, it's all a conspiracy !

 

[hoplitejoe]

It might very well lead to Scottish independence, so maybe an apt term for what happened after all.

It seems more like a question of when, rather than if at the moment.

 

[warpus]

Also seems like it's not so implausible that Ireland unifies. Not nearly as likely as Scottish independence, but

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Also can we just take a moment to consider the utter pig-ignorant gall of people in *Britain* of all places referring to this as "independence"

Explain?

 

[Mouthwash]

Change the title already or make a new thread folks.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I got home last night from a pre-wedding party around midnight to the news that UK had left. Blew my mind... I definitely thought it was going to be like the Scotland vote.

It looks like Scotland and Northern Ireland wanted to stay in the EU. Given the results, I wonder if Scotland will revisit their independence referendum, especially since presumably many of those who voted to stay in the UK did so assuming that would keep them in the EU.