Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Takhisis]

They probably had already decided on it. The Labour leadership, especially the parliamentary party, have never stomached his election in the first place.

 

[innonimatu]

So now the media are complicit in destroying Jeremy Corbin's career because he spoke in favour of the referendum result? Really??

No, the media is just backing its pals inside Labour. There are many long-standing ties there.
And they moved now against Corbyn - in desperation, that is obvious - because...

What is going on with Corbyn and Labour anyhow? I thought Corbyn had already seen off most of his opponents; yet now it seems like they are coming out of the woodwork. Is it just pro-EU Labour politicians taking out their frustration on the nearest available target or is something else going on?

... there are elections coming, It's the only way to put in power a government with a mandate to deal with the results of the referendum. The reporters do their best to depict Corbyn in a bad light, playing the accusations of "lackluster campaign", insinuations that "he was a secret leave backer" and the old excuse, "he's unelectable".

The relevance of him having quickly committed to the result of the referendum is what it means for the future of Labour and the careers of its top members. If Corbyn remains as leader, the next campaign will have a party committed to an orderly exit, no backtracking. Such a position will be good for Labour candidates in many areas of England (meaning they may gain new seats there), but bad for those in the big urban areas - most of the seats that the party currently holds. Those people whose careers and connections are now comfortable, do not want that uncertainty. A rebellion is entirely rational from a political self-preservation viewpoint. Even if the party as a whole could come out ahead, many of the current crop of MP risk coming out of the next election as losers. And because Labour had already declined across much of England - losing the "working class vote" to indifference or even to the Tories and the UKIP - the current crop of MP is dominated by the ones who depend on a more pro-Remain electorate. Corbyn doesn't make the party unelectable, but he may make some of the current MP unelectable. And you know how most politicians behave: career ahead of ideology, if forced to choose between those the party and the country can burn for all they care.


My impression is that those Labour MP are living in a bubble and in for a huge shock in the next elections if they do win in their coup. They don't have any kind of appealing platform for their traditional voters, and are seen now as backstabbing the only recent party leader widely considered honest by the public. All the main newspapers have been in a blood frenzy trying to depict Corbyn's removal as a fait acoompli, his resignation as unavoidable. But if he doesn't oblige (and he just today made it clear) the rebels have no plan for how to beat him in a new leadership election inside the party. Then their apparent force gets exposed as control of mainstream media, the political reporters whit whom they have long-time relations are backing them, as well as the "professional opinion-makers". But not of the party "rank and file" of those people who actually care enough to vote.

They're betting on the (supposedly) mostly young, urban, and impressionable supporters of Corbyn in the past leadership election doubting and deserting under the barrage of accusations. The effect of aligning all the media and most of the MP in a chorus against Corbyn may however be just the opposite - if there is a lesson from last Thursday's vote is that people are angry and in no mood to be told what to believe by those "opinion-makers". Ans it's very hard to demonize someone against who the worst thing you can make up (and still be remotely credible) is that "he can't win an election"... and then ask people to vote on that. It kind of invites from voters a reaction to demonstrate the opposite - again!

 

[W|M]

Corbyn does have a strong base of support, so it's not all doom and gloom for him:

 

[Ajidica]

Corbyn does have a strong base of support, so it's not all doom and gloom for him:

That base of support doesn't seem to extend to Parliament. If there is one thing I learned about politics from Rome Total War, it is that while popular support is nice to have, senatorial support is essential.

Also, on an unrelated note, whoever took that screenshot is very brave, letting their battery go to 8%.

 

[Takhisis]

It seems I've gotten over the shock of Brexit. I've finally been able to enter reddit and search for polandball-brexit comics.

 

[FriendlyFire]

They did mention entering a kind of Norway style deal with the EU, saying that Norway pays nothing to the EU

But Norways actually pays moar to enter the common market ? Britain already some kind of sweet heart deal with the EU.
Norway pays £119 vs Britain £96

Norwegians pay about as much as Brits to access EU

Norway’s gross contribution. In 2016, Norway’s payments in relation to its membership of the European single market and other EU programmes it takes part in will come to about £623 million* or £119 a head, according to an analysis by InFacts of data provided by the country’s embassy in the UK.

Britain’s receipts from EU programmes that Norway also benefits from (again, using generous assumptions) come to £23 per person**. Subtracting that amount from Norway’s gross contribution, we get an estimated net contribution of £96 per head.

http://infacts.org/norwegians-pay-same-brits-eu-access/

 

[innonimatu]

This party coup, mind you, has been in preparation for quite a while:

Labour rebels hope to topple Jeremy Corbyn in 24-hour blitz after EU referendum

Labour rebels believe they can topple Jeremy Corbyn after the EU referendum in a 24-hour blitz by jumping on a media storm of his own making.

Moderate MPs who believe Mr Corbyn can never win back power think his failure to close down public rows which flare up and dominate the news channels leaves him vulnerable.

By fanning the flames with front bench resignations and public criticism they think the signatures needed to trigger a leadership race can be gathered within a day.

...

Rather than naming a date to make their move - as some had done with May's local elections - some rebels now believe taking advantage of an opportune row holds the beast chance of success.

“It is not going to be a date in the calendar, it will be on the back of a media firestorm. It could happen within 24 hours,” said one Labour MP.

Asked how the coup could take place, another said: “Things go wrong, people have had enough, you start to see resignations and it spirals from there."

The whole thing was scripted and even announced at least a month in advance! What's with the british, they can't even made a secret plot anymore?

Incidentally, the Iraq War Inquiry,, expected to bring to bring to the fore Tony Blair's lies back in 2003, is set to be delivered to Parliament and presented to the public in less than a month's time. Time was running out for the blairites - as much as they try to suppress news about it they won't be able to avoid negative public reactions to the roles many of those MP still in office played in "selling" that war.

 

[W|M]

Time seems to be on Corbyn's side

That base of support doesn't seem to extend to Parliament. If there is one thing I learned about politics from Rome Total War, it is that while popular support is nice to have, senatorial support is essential.

Also, on an unrelated note, whoever took that screenshot is very brave, letting their battery go to 8%.

Having thousands of plebians show up to the door of the Senate can be quite influential in securing senatorial support, though

 

[Lexicus]

That base of support doesn't seem to extend to Parliament. If there is one thing I learned about politics from Rome Total War, it is that while popular support is nice to have, senatorial support is essential.

Funny, I learned that if you piss the Senate off enough you can get them to declare you an outlaw enabling you to take Rome much earlier than otherwise.

I am going to be paying close attention to what goes on in Labor over the next few weeks and months...it's my impression that the Blairites don't have the depth of support needed to remove Corbyn if push comes to shove.

 

[Kaitzilla]

It seems I've gotten over the shock of Brexit. I've finally been able to enter reddit and search for polandball-brexit comics.

Heh, the 3.5 million internet votes for a 2nd referendum on Brexit turned out to be a 4-Chan prank.
https://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ll-for-second-brexit-vote-gains-more-than-39/

**Edit**
Why does typing "4" followed by "chan" get replaced with 20 smiley faces when I post?!
The profanity filter goes too far!
Also, I miss the suicide emote.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Those that called for Leaving the EU have no plans on how to implement any of their promises

Brexit is not just Europe’s problem. It highlights a crisis in democracies worldwide

Alastair Darling, a former chancellor of the exchequer, outlined the extent of the crisis here during an interview with the BBC’s “Today” program on Monday. “There is no government. There is no opposition. The people who got us into this mess — they’ve gone to ground,” he said “How has the United Kingdom come to this position? We have taken this decision and have no plan for the future.”

the political class “is behaving the way it used to behave, the old arguments, the old fights, the adversarialism.” That has created what he called “the palpable disconnection” between political leaders and ordinary people. “That is true across much of the democratic world,”

But so far there is no plan for implementing any of this from those who led the campaign to leave. To some outside observers, that is a recipe for more voter disappointment and a further decline in confidence in leaders and institutions. As Bale put it, “The time seems right for another betrayal.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe...=pm_world_pop_b

 

[Gigaz]

Those that called for Leaving the EU have no plans on how to implement any of their promises

I wonder how they're planning to make one. Most of the experts in EU law who could contribute will likely politely decline to participate in such an endeavour.

 

[Kyriakos]

Funny, I learned that if you piss the Senate off enough you can get them to declare you an outlaw enabling you to take Rome much earlier than otherwise.

I am going to be paying close attention to what goes on in Labor over the next few weeks and months...it's my impression that the Blairites don't have the depth of support needed to remove Corbyn if push comes to shove.

Ἀνερρίφθω κύβος, as was said upon passing the Rubicon

Re Corbyn, i hope he stays as leader. I am unhappy about the petty politics, and the parties should really have shown a less chav attitude.

And considering Corbyn as unelectable is funny, when most likely what would be against him is The Boris, who among his other issues does not seem very keen to be PM now anyway.

 

[W|M]

The Boris makes him sound an evil alien:

Spoiler :

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, he is a clown, or rather the paradigm of clowns...

Btw, Bbc is laying it a bit way too thick (even for Bbc standards) on its "Corbyn must go" campaign, and analogous "Isn't Cameron charming" emetic routine

Also, they are every bit as irresponsible as rags like the Fail and the Shun by now. "5 days after the vote, has the public changed its mind?" yeah, ask that also about electing Cameo, and public funding the Bbc.

 

[Old Hippy]

it was nice to see David Cameron smile and almost LOL in Westminster today, things must be looking up for the UK

sad that it was at Jeremy Corbyn making a speech about not using the current crisis to jockey for factional position while he was jockeying for factional position

 

[luiz]

Labor keeping Corbyn at the leadership = a generation under Tory government. The UK ain't Venezuela.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Labor keeping Corbyn at the leadership = a generation under Tory government. The UK ain't Venezuela.

After a generation under Tories it will be.

 

[Old Hippy]

Labor keeping Corbyn at the leadership = a generation under Tory government. The UK ain't Venezuela.

your missing the fact that the UK has just had a vote to go back to the good old days, that's pre Common market, pre Thatcherism, days of Nationalised trains and industries, the birth of the welfare state, Venezuela was never the UK, no matter how hard they tried to be

 

[luiz]

After a generation under Tories it will be.

Well the person who thinks Chávez did a brilliant job managing Venezuela's economy is comrade Corbyn (which says a lot about his understanding of economics, management, democracy, and basic human decency).

If Labor insists in keeping that baboon at the helm, we will find out what the UK will look like after a generation under the Tories.