Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Akka]

And Labour (so far).

Considering the revolt he had on his hand, even if he's still in place, I would hardly call him "intact".

 

[luiz]

And Labour (so far). If anything, the SNP came out of the affair better off, as this dramatically strengthens their hand for another independence referendum.

Yeah I think the SNP is the only party that came out stronger out of this mess. Labour and the Tories are publically annihilating themselves.

 

[Ironsided]

With Captain first and later all the populist rats predictably abandoning ship to save themselves after selling the passengers down the Swanee – there is one real damn sailor – not only being truthful to the many passengers who put their trust in him. He does so while also having to fight the many backstabbing MPs, the liberal media and Sunday liberal cry-babies of his own party trying to push him overboard for not being populist enough for their tastes.

 

[luiz]

Someone who gets a non confidence of 75% of his party's MP's cannot lead the party, period. It's not a Soviet or freaking bolivarian assembly, despite the burning wishes of the Corbynistas. He needs to resign

 

[Atticus]

So Farage resigns too now. Brexit leadership ranks is thinning out to say the least.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader

And they said he didn't have an exit plan.

 

[Akka]

Someone who gets a non confidence of 75% of his party's MP's cannot lead the party, period. It's not a Soviet or freaking bolivarian assembly, despite the burning wishes of the Corbynistas. He needs to resign

Well the catch is that he's the bulk of his party officials against him, but the bulk of his party members for him. It's a serious case of schyzophrenia inside the Labour.

 

[Ironsided]

Yeah, he won the party leadership popular vote with 60% to 19%, 17% and 4% for the other three candidates a year ago. But because the overwintering Blairite MPs don’t like it- he should resign? Thanks for you input on democracy though lulz.

 

[luiz]

Yeah, he won the party leadership popular vote with 60% to 19%, 17% and 4% for the other three candidates a year ago. But because the overwintering Blairite MPs don’t like it- he should resign? Thanks for you input on democracy though lulz.

What percentage of the actual labor electorate voted for him? Party bases can be kidnapped by relatively small interest groups with too much time in their hands.

Anyway, democracy as I understand it is indeed more than a single vote. To lead a party you need legitimacy with your bases but also with your MP's, who actually have a popular mandate behind them. Corbyn doesn't have the latter requirement by a long shot, so he has to go. That's democracy, as opposed to the bolivarian nightmare Corbyn and his cultists adhere to.

 

[AdrienIer]

What percentage of the actual labor electorate voted for him? Party bases can be kidnapped by relatively small interest groups with too much time in their hands.

Anyway, democracy as I understand it is indeed more than a single vote. To lead a party you need legitimacy with your bases but also with your MP's, who actually have a popular mandate behind them. Corbyn doesn't have the latter requirement by a long shot, so he has to go. That's democracy, as opposed to the bolivarian nightmare Corbyn and his cultists adhere to.

There you go

76.3% turnout. Pretty good don't you think ?

 

[Traitorfish]

What percentage of the actual labor electorate voted for him? Party bases can be kidnapped by relatively small interest groups with too much time in their hands.

"New Labour", is the term you're looking for.

 

[Ironsided]

And if that’s not enough democracy for you.

Here is another glimpse of popular support. Sort the comments on recommendations. Also, remember that Guardian is mainly a Blairite 3rd-way paper in its editorials.

 

[W|M]

To lead a party you need legitimacy with your bases but also with your MP's, who actually have a popular mandate behind them

Technically yes, but in practice, most people vote to get the Prime Minister they want in power, not the MP they want in Parliament

 

[Traitorfish]

Also consider that some 40% of Labour MPs represent safe seats, which have a habit of turning into virtual rotten boroughs. How many of the were elected not on personal merit, not even on the merit of the party leader, but simply because there was no meaningful opposition?

 

[Takhisis]

Which is why combining executive and legislative elections into one isn't that bright an idea.

And Labour (so far). If anything, the SNP came out of the affair better off, as this dramatically strengthens their hand for another independence referendum.

‘Dominion status now!’?

And they said he didn't have an exit plan.

Now I know why Finns laugh at my jokes.

 

[bathsheba666]

The bottom of the cliff is not yet reached...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36708844

Standard Life suspends trading in UK property fund

 

[Mise]

There you go

76.3% turnout. Pretty good don't you think ?

76% of Labour Party members, not of all Labour voters.

251,417 people voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
9,347,304 people voted for Labour in the 2015 general election.

Only 2.69% of Labour voters actually voted for Corbyn in the leadership election.

 

[Takhisis]

At this rate, the EU will leave the UK.

 

[Traitorfish]

76% of Labour Party members, not of all Labour voters.

251,417 people voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
9,347,304 people voted for Labour in the 2015 general election.

Only 2.69% of Labour voters actually voted for Corbyn in the leadership election.

Has a British party leadership election ever involved a non-trivial proportion of the electorate? 2.69% sounds disastrously low, but for all we know it might be entirely typical, or even pretty good.

 

[AdrienIer]

76% of Labour Party members, not of all Labour voters.

251,417 people voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
9,347,304 people voted for Labour in the 2015 general election.

Only 2.69% of Labour voters actually voted for Corbyn in the leadership election.

That's how a primary vote/leadership vote works. If you don't care enough to vote for your preferred party's leader then you can't complain about who gets chosen. You could argue that an open primary would be better but that's not the British way.

 

[Akka]

I don't really see the problem about PARTY MEMBERS being the only ones voting for PARTY LEADERS. I mean, if it's about allowing everyone to vote, that's a national election, not a party one.