ITNES I - An Epoch of Change

Any response on my UU?

You wanted a confirmation? Don't worry, its just fine.

btw no bonus for stories

I decided to do away with story bonuses as such. But your - and other unawarded - stories may yet have some different kind of influence in the future...

That was the idea behind sending the explorers team.....

The problem is that you don't even know about "New York" yet.

OOC: If you wih das, but this is the second time I've been imposed a name. *shakes fist*

Muwhahahaha. :evil:

Also, I made one invest point into Infrastructure. Shouldnt it show 1/3 for the advancement to the next level?

I'm a bit confused, so just consider this a random bonus or something.

An excelent update. Was my project completed? Since, there's no sign of how much time it takes to complete, but there's no 'completed' message either.

No, not yet. It shall take two more turns, unless you pay some more.

...What could we do?

Not sure, probably nothing, although you could've blamed it all on some neighborus and attacked them. Or something like that.

Whatever, point is that lots of people died and many of the ghosts blame you.

das what happened to my orders?

I believe I already said I didn't get any orders. I doubly didn't get them if your mail's consent was supposed to be orders:
e-mail I got from Wubba said:
Spoiler open at your own risk :

Chapter twelve Notes the Fires of Perfection

Lyman Beecher: reverend, preached against dancing, drinking, dueling, infidelity, wanted bring Christ to USA, thought of 1000 yr millennium of peace predicted in Bible, would begin with USA, was Yale student, son of Blacksmiths 1775, in 2nd great awakening it came to his college 1802, was on of those converted, had 11 children, one of many, many association made, American Board of Commissioners of Foreign Missions, American Bible Society, American Tract Society, denounced Unitarians who rejected divinity of Jesus, denounced gambling, cards, drinking, Catholicism, nuns and priests devious agents of antichrist, reforms antagonized immigrants enjoyed such things, when Beecher church was on fire 1830, firefighters stood by did nothing

Charles Grandison Finney: 1821 abandoned law teaching for church, ordained Presbyterian church, attracted attention when did spectacular revivals in 1820s and 30s in port city of Erie Canal, good speaker, prayed for sinner by name, encouraged women to testify in public, put ones struggling with conversion on front bench, convinced men had go through gut wrenching inner change, but not miracle but scientific result right use constituted means,

Perfectionism: with people all believing could be accepted by God, began preaching people should strive be as perfect as God and true Christian not rest until society pure to

Rochester, NY: booming flour milling center on Erie Canal was one area where revival audiences were drawn to, Finney came to town winter of 1830-31, gown in around 15 yrs from village 300-20000, massive divisions, large working class, and saloon prostitute culture, Finney transformed town, preached 6 months daily, doubled church participation, brought order

Revivalism: appealed middle class, lawyers, merchants, retailers, manufacturers, mobile citizens, large role in market, factories, railroads, afraid losing everything with boom bust cycle, religion provided way to cope with tensions, workers increased after depression 1839, Methodist instilled ideals hard work, frugality, sobriety appealed, church allowed to ascend in status

Richard Allen: was popular black preacher, tired of being 2nd class worshipper, when praying one day 1787, interrupted, white usher told him could not pray in area, Allen and other black members of congregation walked out, 1794 organized Bethel Church AA could worship without discrimination

African Methodist Episcopal Church: early 19th century, in south slave owners suppressed such churches after 1820, in north continued to grow, AME organized 1816, in 1836 had 7500 members, 20 yrs later about 20000, black Baptist growth was future and in south after emancipation

Ideal of Domesticity: it was place where women escape competition and speedy workplace, separate man women lives

Separate spheres: sexual spheres, endorsed by clergy, women converted in largest number, women meant stay home and teach children and husbands, morally stronger higher standard sexual purity, men not condemned, but women if were unfaithful or premarital sex everlasting disgrace, submerge identity in husband’s

Catherine Beecher: like most women, did not see rationale in ideology male dominance, argued women exercised power as moral guardians of nations future, middle class household care important, wrote several books on subject, pushed women have greater educational opportunities, said should become teachers, because only extension of home, since women affection for children and discipline would make them ideal teachers,

Sisterhood: women gave much moral support family members then they received, depended greatly upon other women, made sisterhood, common sense of identity and shared experiences, helped keep reforms launched by women to aid women of lower class

Birth rate/abortion/marriage: women began wanting smaller families as they married later in life, women used birth control to further put space apart between children, also mother began resorting abortion, estimates are 1 abortion for every 5-6 births, before 1860, drop birth rate, from little more 7 child family 1800 to 5.4 in 1850, 25% drop, drop more abrupt 1830, correlated with family success ethic, before needed on farm ect. Now to success needed greater education and special training to be success, so they were greater financial burden on family, middle class extended education, equalized inheritance rather than favor eldest son or sons over daughters

Romanticism: intellectual movement, criticized Unitarians, began in Europe as reaction against Enlightenment, rom. emphasized importance of emotion and intuition as sources of truth, rather than reason, gloried potential individual who could soar if not constrained by institutions, sympathized with oppressed,

Ralph Waldo Emerson: Unitarian, taught Harvard Divinity School, July 1838 addressed students, warned lifeless preaching, church stupid, asked if man truly made sensible enough to have infinite soul, left students ponder message

Transcendentalism: mid 1830s, when Unitarian clergy resigned pulpits, protested church’s smug, lifeless teachings, sought spiritual communion with nature, transcend to rise above, mainly above reason and material world, every human contained spark of divinity, shared Romanticism glorification of individual, denied existence of evil,

Margaret Fuller: attracted to Transcendentalist Club, Boston intellectual, come back to

Bronson Alcott: see Margaret Fuller,

James Fenimore Cooper/Leather stocking Tales/wilderness: LST was series of five novels written between 1823-1841, clash nature and civilization, hero in novel Natty Bumppo, self reliant frontiersmen who represented nobility and innocence of wilderness, portrayed culture of frontier threat to civilization Cooper prized highly, Natty Bumppo stand between civilization and savagery not comfortable with either,

Henry David Thoreau/ Walden/ individualism: used nature as backdrop, explore conflict between unfettered individual and constraints of society, grew up Concord MA, 1845 build cabin edge of Walden Pond, living relative solitude 16 months demonstrate advantage self reliance, basis classic novel Walden, argued only in nature find true independence, rejected any institution that contradicted his personal sense of right,

Walt Whitman/ Songs of Myself/ democracy: journalist and laborer of NYC, inspired by common people, used peoples manners, speech, dress, friendships in Leaves of Grass, 1855, made poem not meter or rhyme, with frank imagery and sexual references, exalted emotions, nature, individual, endowed ideas more joyous democratic spirit,

Nathaniel Hawthorne/Scarlett Letter: lived life in Concord, unable partake Emerson sunny optimism, and repelled by self-centered outlook of Thoreau, wrote of power of the past to shape future generations and consequences of pride, selfishness, envy, and secret guilt, SL 1850 set in NE Puritan era, Hawthorne spun the tale of Hester Prynne, who bore illegitimate child, of Puritan neighbors condemned her, like puritans no illusions about creating world without evil, rejected American belief person or nation could free self from past

Herman Melville/ Moby Dick/ nature’s destructive power: MD 1851, drew from youthful experiences aboard whaling ship, novel Captain Ahab relentlessly drives his ship in pursuit great white whale Moby-Dick, Melville says Ahab becomes powerful symbol of American character, prototype ruthless businessman despoiling nature’s resources in his pursuit for success, Ahab Emerson’s self reliant man, but in him, self reliance is transformed into monomania that eventually destroys his ship, its crew, and himself, noted dilemma romanticism, how could America society be made perfect, if based on self interested materialism and individualism

I hope you understand why I was a bit... confused by that message.

@das, What exactly is the epidemic? Smallpox? Influenza? Is there a cure for it readily available somewhere in the world?

Smallpox is one of the most important components. As is the bubonic plague... No cures.

Das, what about central africa?

Indeed, what about it?

Though when you get the time das, could you explain the basics of Sanghism to me?

Think more fanatical version of Buddhism with greater emphasis on community. Plus your version has considerable Chinese (Confucianist, Taoist) influences.

Suzhou itself could be compared with Lamaist Tibet. Or a weaker, but more fanatical Ashokan India. Also some parallels with Taipings and Hussites, though obviously not in religion itself.
 
Nice, nice..

Finmaster, want me to rename your coutnry into the Dacoillyrian Empire? Abbreviations are a bit anachronistic, IMHO, while Dacoillyrian is a single ethnicity now (as opposed to Daco-Illyrian).
Yes, Dacoillyrian Empire is better.

Several high-level corruption scandals took place in DIE (-1 Confidence); the worst part is that to restore government's reputation, several key officials will have to be replaced, causing a considerable shake-up (leave things as is or +1 Confidence & -1 Efficiency?).
Do I get to chooce? if so, then +1 confidence and -1 efficiency.

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IC:
From DIE
To Cernorus
Y, thank you :)
 
Get online Finmaster much much to talk about.
 
Das, about my project.. it appears that there is no "culture" -stat in the template, so perhaps that could be changed into +1 confidence?
 
@Sheep, sorry but I'm on a school computer and they won't allow us to get AIM on these :(

Perhaps you could PM it to me?
 
Das, about my project.. it appears that there is no "culture" -stat in the template, so perhaps that could be changed into +1 confidence?

Could. But technically I can always give you some cultural bonus (like assimilation).

Sorry, I overestimated my free time, so you'll have to wait some more for the troop maps. Its not a problem of DOING them, its a problem of finding enough to time to start doing them; besides, after the first time it should go easier, unless all of the world goes to war at once.
 
damn it, i must have accidently sent you my ap history notes, ummm... yeah, i guess i got screwed by that mix up. Oh well, can you just in stats show some military growth?
 
das dont worry about the troops maps. People dont need to know where troops are as it means we know where all our enemies stuff is. People in this timeframe would not know what their enemy had let alone where it all was. GReat idea but I prefer Carthage to not have its troops shown and I dont think I am the only nation that feels this way.
 
I kinda agree with Sheep. It will just become a burden with miniscule gains in the future updates.
 
I agree, as well. For one year turns, tactical planning matters quite a lot, but it is not quite as relevant with five year turns.
 
Sheep said:
das dont worry about the troops maps. People dont need to know where troops are as it means we know where all our enemies stuff is. People in this timeframe would not know what their enemy had let alone where it all was. GReat idea but I prefer Carthage to not have its troops shown and I dont think I am the only nation that feels this way.

ahem spies and scouts make detecting armies a piece of cake
 
Imago said:
I agree, as well. For one year turns, tactical planning matters quite a lot, but it is not quite as relevant with five year turns.
Doesn't matter. Pace of warfare is slower. Besides, forces are always somewhere; they're not simply conjured onto the map on a whim. Knowing where they are when something begins is vastly better than not knowing where they are at all, and really, a lot of people (myself included) are going to just ask if we know what is where anyway if it comes down to military action. So the work's going to have to be done anyway.
 
But then das dosen't have to worry about placing the troops of all the peacetime nations.

However, I'm really not going to argue about this, as I don't care all that much. Having troop positions on the map is indeed helpful, but causes das extra work.
 
I don't particularly care either way either; my main point is he'll probably wind up having to do work either way, so he should do it however he feels is best. If it takes awhile, eh.
 
You know, normally troops are placed just across the border or in a nearby area. I mean, if one country built a watchtower on their border, they will OBVIOUSLY see the either massive army reading for invasion or a small garrison force.

Nations didn't know where other nations' armies were at all huh sheep? You may have blacked out, but almost 1000 years ago TL and OTL from the current time, a certain thing called "espionage" had been developed already ;)
 
Keeping one's troops on the border is inviting outflanking. Always keep them backwards a bit, where they can react to any threat. Consider this your free, friendly, strategic advice of the day.
 
North king! You're not supposed to give out information like that :p
 
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