Kebabs!!!!

[ParadigmShifter]

LOL, I like Abaddon. And he started it Miss!

EDIT: I did call Quackers girly in the other thread though. If this offends you so much - I'd advise you to never visit Britain.

 

[Abaddon]

Why is receptive anal sex inherently abnormal? The clear insinuation of your comment is that engaging in receptive anal sex renders one deviant in some way, despite the fact that it is actually a quite common sexual act among gay men, heterosexual men, and heterosexual women as well. Why do you describe it in such terms that indicate you clearly wish to associate certain persons you don't like with it, and therefore convert the idea of receptive anal sex into a slur?

This is all in your head. You are reading into things the wrong way on purpose. Nothing about his statement leads on unless YOU have such prejudice within your mind.

 

[Hugh Mann]

It isn't surprising that the UK maintains a highly exclusionary cultural/national identity, considering how they are responsible for the genocide of tens of millions of people around the world, including in North America where they nearly wiped out entire peoples in their effort to convert them to Britons.

 

[aelf]

You don't even understand what you did...

You used the word "gay" to indicate something you don't like, positioning homosexuals or homosexuality as being outside the bounds of acceptability. In this way you assisted in the maintenance of a cultural identity that excludes homosexuals. Being "sorry" for offending someone is insufficient; you must recognize that you were wrong and acknowledge that your entire cultural outlook is exclusionary. Then you must pledge to change.

Dunno, dude. In a situation where one guy is ribbing another guy for "being a girl", for example, I don't think there is necessarily an inherent misogyny involved. I think it's very possible to tease someone by calling that person something he/she is not, without it being any more than playing on that person's personal valuation of his/her disposition. That is to say, if you value being a heterosexual in the sense that you prefer it, it's possible to tease you by saying that you are conforming to certain stereotypes about homosexuals without there being anything 'wrong' in this case besides mild stereotyping and knowingly (but not seriously) making a false claim. I mean, I don't see any problem with assuming that you value the disposition that you choose.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

That's not about kebabs though.

We are supposed to be discussing which kind of meat we like to put in our mouths.

 

[Quackers]

Hugh Mann I CONSIDER your posts to be exclusionary of homophobes!

 

[Hugh Mann]

This is all in your head. You are reading into things the wrong way on purpose. Nothing about his statement leads on unless YOU have such prejudice within your mind.

I take it you haven't attended university, which is going to make explaining this a little more difficult since you lack the requisite education to understand what I am saying. Nevertheless, I will give it the old college try.

He used the idea of receptive anal sex to position you as being inferior or deviant in some way. He did this because in the popular culture of his home, one who engages in receptive anal sex is seen as inferior or deviant; this despite the fact that we know that a person's sexual behaviors have no link to or effect on the person's other behaviors. Or, put another way, because a man might choose to engage in receptive anal sex does not mean he cannot be an upright, productive member of society, and it certainly does not feminize him in any way (though if he chooses to act in accordance with feminine cultural norms that is not a bad thing; that's for another post).

Basically, he links the idea of receptive anal sex with a derogatory image.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Abaddon has a degree in Zoology, hence his attraction to animals.

 

[Hugh Mann]

Dunno, dude. In a situation where one guy is ribbing another guy for "being a girl", for example, I don't think there is necessarily an inherent misogyny involved.

What you think is irrelevant. Do you think that if you think the moon does not exist then that is a perfectly valid position to hold?

Linking a particular behavior with a derogatory image where that derogatory image is not valid is inherently exclusionary.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Look, you are new here. You don't know my views on homosexuality at all, just my opinion on kebabs.

 

[Hugh Mann]

Look, you are new here. You don't know my views on homosexuality at all, just my opinion on kebabs.

Your views on homosexuality are irrelevant if your behavior does not match; you can espouse a desire for absolute equality of identity, yet if you persist in exclusionary behavior, then why should I be concerned with your views?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Watch this introductory video


Link to video.

 

[Hugh Mann]

I'd rather not.

 

[aelf]

What you think is irrelevant. Do you think that if you think the moon does not exist then that is a perfectly valid position to hold?

Linking a particular behavior with a derogatory image where that derogatory image is not valid is inherently exclusionary.

Irrelevant to what exactly? If you're saying that what I think is irrelevant to a discussion about what can or cannot be said, then thanks for telling me that you'd rather have a conversation with yourself. But apparently you don't, since you are trying to tell someone else about what can or cannot be said. It's strange how what you think counts as relevant while what I think doesn't. It's not like I'm not trying to engage in a reasoned discussion.

What I'm trying to say addresses precisely the necessary link between what was said and a derogatory image of homosexuals. It's certainly possible and commonplace that remarks about 'gayness' is linked to a derogatory image of homosexuals, but it doesn't have to be. If you don't think that is valid, tell me why. You don't get a free pass by dismissing what I'm saying as "irrelevant".

 

[Hugh Mann]

I was not expressing an opinion; I was carefully explaining the mechanism through which homosexuals are excluded in everyday language. You were expressing an opinion which has no basis in fact and consists mostly of nonsense pop-psychology. I expect you to be able to discern the difference and if you cannot then you should cease posting in this thread.

 

[Abaddon]

I take it you haven't attended university, which is going to make explaining this a little more difficult since you lack the requisite education to understand what I am saying. Nevertheless, I will give it the old college try.

Ah, so I take it you're educated? Fantastic! PROVE IT? I CAN

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=7213767&postcount=1234

 

[classical_hero]

This thread is totally gay. British humour FTW

I have not had too many kebabs, but it is generally considered here also to be the food of drunks. But whenever i have had I have been completely sober, due to the fact of being a teetotaller.

 

[Hugh Mann]

Hmm, academic standards must be frighteningly low across the pond. From what I've seen in this thread, not surprising.

 

[NovaKart]

My favorite kebab is iskender kebab, it's kebab with pieces of bread covered with yogurt. I live in the country of kebab so I'm kind of sick of döner kebab but I do like it - notice the björk-like ö with two dots. I like adana and urfa kebab but I can never remember which one is which. In Turkey they also have ciğer kebab which is liver kebab. Not bad for a change but not exactly my favorite either.

 

[Abaddon]

Hmm, academic standards must be frighteningly low across the pond. From what I've seen in this thread, not surprising.

If it wasn't for your usename, i'd take you seriously Nice DL whoever it is.