Maggy Thatcher dead

[Virote_Considon]

She also labeled Mandela a "terrorist"

He objectively was a terrorist. He (as leader of the armed wing of the ANC) was involved in indiscriminately attacking innocent civilians. That is the definition of a terrorist, no matter how noble his goals may be considered.

 

[Lord of Elves]

He objectively was a terrorist. He (as leader of the armed wing of the ANC) was involved in indiscriminately attacking innocent civilians. That is the definition of a terrorist, no matter how noble his goals may be considered.

Indeed.

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." - Ronald "Trickle-Down Ronny" Reagan

In all seriousness, one of you Brits explain to me why she is so viciously hated and stuff.

EDIT: By which I mean, preferably without spitting bile against her/against her critics.

 

[Tahuti]

Many conservatives incessantly whine about people like Ahmadinejad, Castro, Chavez, Hussein, and the leaders of North Korea. But our own leaders during this period have caused far greater problems in the world than they all have collectively. And this legacy was re-implemented again during the first decade of the 21st century when their policies were largely resurrected by GWB and Tony Blair.

As if there weren't any non-conservative leaders who have criticized the legacy of Ahmadinejad, Castro and others. It's a fringe position at best to say how "our own leaders during this period have caused far greater problems in the world than they all have collectively", when 'they; are murderous criminals that would have no quarrels with personally murdering anyone who says anything like you just did about them. At least "our own leaders" do not, evidenced by the fact you won't be arrested and tortured for making this very comment.

 

[bathsheba666]

Right, yeah, a lot of people suffered needlessly because of some of her policies. I don't know if the sum of all that suffering, multiplied by the % of that suffering that can be attributable to Thatcher personally due to the chain of causality splitting, adds up to 1 death.

Interesting that so many people praise her for the novel accomplishment of changing things, and gettings things done, and yet it turns out after the chains of causality splitting she was not actually responsible for anything that happened.

Perhaps you should let them know there is no need for any special funeral at all.
Clearly she barely registered.

 

[Formaldehyde]

As if there weren't any non-conservative leaders who have criticized the legacy of Ahmadinejad, Castro and others. It's a fringe position at best to say how "our own leaders during this period have caused far greater problems in the world than they all have collectively", when 'they; are murderous criminals that would have no quarrels with personally murdering anyone who says anything like you just did about them. At least "our own leaders" do not, evidenced by the fact you won't be arrested and tortured for making this very comment.

Yet many innocent people were indeed arrested, tortured, and even murdered by the true "fringies", whose reprehensible acts you are apparently trying to rationalize and defend once again.

 

[Mise]

Interesting that so many people praise her for the novel accomplishment of changing things, and gettings things done, and yet it turns out after the chains of causality splitting she was not actually responsible for anything that happened.

Perhaps you should let them know there is no need for any special funeral at all.
Clearly she barely registered.

Well it's interesting that you think the people who praise her also split the chain of causality as I have. Maybe you should tell those people instead of telling me.

And I already have let them know there is no need for any special funeral at all, by signing that petition back in 2012... Seriously, how many more conclusions would you like to jump to?

 

[Crezth]

Pretty much what Azale said. Those who pretend they are above ideology are usually either deluded or dishonest.

And what the 'moderates' in this thread and so many other places are doing is prioritising their own sensibilities regarding proper or reasonable behaviour above pretty much everything else. "Social justice? Nah. If some activists are violent, then I can't get behind their cause." These people should be rightly condemned as pretentious fools who are obviously too comfortable with their own lives.

I love your posts.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

RIP, not her biggest fan, but she had good qualities.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

.....Those who pretend they are above ideology are usually either deluded or dishonest.

And what the 'moderates' in this thread and so many other places are doing is prioritising their own sensibilities regarding proper or reasonable behaviour above pretty much everything else. "Social justice? Nah. If some activists are violent, then I can't get behind their cause." These people should be rightly condemned as pretentious fools who are obviously too comfortable with their own lives.

QFT. Nicely put, aelf. I consider Thatcher to be "the other side," in my book. She was a ruling class warrior of the fiercest kind.

 

[squadbroken]

Pretty much what Azale said. Those who pretend they are above ideology are usually either deluded or dishonest.

And what the 'moderates' in this thread and so many other places are doing is prioritising their own sensibilities regarding proper or reasonable behaviour above pretty much everything else. "Social justice? Nah. If some activists are violent, then I can't get behind their cause." These people should be rightly condemned as pretentious fools who are obviously too comfortable with their own lives.

My favourite variety of radical moderate are the ones who prioritize politeness.
"Sure, he's a violent white supremacist, but you didn't have to be rude to him!"

 

[Gatsby]

Ms Thatcher lead the UK when 1) its biggest enemy was collapsing due to its own internal problems, and 2) the UK economy was being propped up by the North Sea oil bonanza. So my posthumous congratulations to Ms Thatcher for (ahem) being in the right place at the right time.

Privatizing her funeral makes perfect sense, especially given "there is no such thing as society" which would otherwise pay for it!

 

[ace99]

Hurrah!


Link to video.

 

[Gatsby]

Link to video.

the top comment:

'When I realised Margaret Thatcher was dead, I did a double fist pump and shouted, "f-ing brilliant!"

Everyone around me was disgusted, and looking back, I suppose it was out of order.

Especially as I was the first paramedic at the scene'

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Margaret Thatcher lived to be 87 after suffering from dementia for many years.

I did feel bad for her that people like Palin tried to take advantage of her mentally disabled state for their own political gain.

And I of course feel bad for her, as mental deterioration is a terrifying thing. She was "alive," in the physical sense, but a shadow of herself mentally. I fear such an end, and I wish it upon no one.

Do not mistake any of these very human thoughts for any sort of regret that she is gone. Good riddance.

 

[ace99]

I can't tell whats making me more absurdly happy, the song or the comments.

When my mum came home from work this is what we sang.

Just seen the plans for Margaret Thatcher's grave.
Beautiful really, but I think they should have made the dancefloor bigger.

I'd like to express how happy I am for the people of Britain, and no doubt all over the world as well. It's been a long wait, but the time has finally come. Cheers!

You have got to hand it to Thatcher. She hated the working class having any enjoyment so much she deliberately died at the start of the working week.

Several hundred people gathered in south London on Monday evening to celebrate Margaret Thatcher's death with cans of beer, pints of milk and an impromptu street disco playing the soundtrack to her years in power.

Young and old descended on Brixton, a suburb which weathered two outbreaks of rioting during the Thatcher years. Many expressed jubilation that the leader they loved to hate was no more; others spoke of frustration that her legacy lived on.

To cheers of "Maggie Maggie Maggie, dead dead dead," posters of Thatcher were held aloft as reggae basslines pounded.

Clive Barger, a 62-year-old adult education tutor, said he had turned out to mark the passing of "one of the vilest abominations of social and economic history".

He said: "It is a moment to remember. She embodied everything that was so elitist in terms of repressing people who had nothing. She presided over a class war."

Builder Phil Lewis, 47, a veteran of the 1990 poll tax riots, said he had turned out to recall the political struggles the Thatcher years had embroiled him in. "She ripped the arsehole out of this country and we are still suffering the consequences."

Not all those attending were old enough to remember Thatcher's time in power. Jed Miller, 21, clutching a bottle of cider, said: "She was a bit before my time, but family never had anything good to say about her."

Not all were there to celebrate. Student Ray Thornton, 28, said he was there to commemorate "victims" of Thatcherism. "It is a solemn day. It is important to remember that Thatcherism isn't dead and it is important that people get out on the street and not allow the government to whitewash what she did," he said.

Unemployed Kiki Madden scrawled "you snatched my milk and our hope" on a fence and said she felt slightly guilty taking delight in Thatcher's death, "but in the end I can't deny the fact that Thatcher made me so unhappy when I was a kid. I grew up in Liverpool and all my friends' dads lost their jobs on the docks under Thatcher. It was an awful time."

Alex Bigham, a local Labour councillor, condemned the event, taking to Twitter to brand it disgraceful.

In Glasgow, more than 300 people gathered in the city centre for an impromptu party, organised on Twitter.

Members of organisations including the Anti-Bedroom Tax Federation, the Communist party, the Socialist party, the Socialist Workers party and the International Socialist Group, were joined by members of the public in George Square.

A chorus of "so long, the witch is dead" erupted, along with chants of "Maggie Maggie Maggie, dead dead dead," from the gathering as champagne bottles were popped.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-party-brixton-glasgow

 

[Azale]

He objectively was a terrorist. He (as leader of the armed wing of the ANC) was involved in indiscriminately attacking innocent civilians. That is the definition of a terrorist, no matter how noble his goals may be considered.

I guess, but Thatcher aligned herself with the white apartheid South Africans and then proceeded to label Mandela a terrorist. She was saying Mandela bad, white nationalists better. She did not label Mandela & the ANC terrorists as a way to underline how desperate their struggle was, nor did she follow it up by saying "but apartheid is also pretty bad" (afaik).

I understand being caught in geopolitical complexities, but Thatcher took it a step further. I can't respect that.

 

[useless]

Hey let's not forget about her cosying up to Suharto, that genocidal indonesian dictator. What a wonderful woman, she's not at all crap or disgusting. gotta say that so i don't badmouth the dead, even though she literally supported a genocidal dictator.

 

[Zack]

Why aren't we allowed to say bad things about dead people? These threads always remind me of the "top blokes after death" song.

 

[useless]

If she wasn't a politician and didn't have such a large negative impact on people's lives, fair enough, but she wasn't. To not be critical of her and to not judge her is simply wrong.

 

[Zack]

If she wasn't a politician and didn't have such a large negative impact on people's lives, fair enough, but she wasn't. To not be critical of her and to not judge her is simply wrong.

...Yeah, that was my point.