Michele Bachmann is a "Sarah Palin with a brain"?!?

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Protip: Stop being condescending towards each other

 

[Dachs]

I think Palin is more of a stalking horse than anyone taken seriously by any but the lunatic fringe.

Did somebody say "stalking horse"?

 

[Rashiminos]

The latter, because they don't need to.

Amen. Now if only the ones doing so would stop doing it.

 

[Lord of Elves]

The Tea Party, and this "conservative" wave, might be taken more seriously if its figureheads weren't ignorant, egotistical, or insane, or all three.

 

[Thoughtful Thug]

1. "I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 2009

2. "I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?" -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, calling for a new McCarthyism, Oct. 2008

3. "Take this into consideration. If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt, and that's how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps. I'm not saying that that's what the Administration is planning to do, but I am saying that private personal information that was given to the Census Bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up, in a violation of their constitutional rights, and put the Japanese in internment camps." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, June 2009

4. "During the last 100 days we have seen an orgy. It would make any local smorgasbord embarrassed … The government spent its wad by April 26." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, accusing the Obama administration of premature fiscal ejaculation, May 2009

5. "That's why people need to continue to go to the town halls, continue to melt the phone lines of their liberal members of Congress, and let them know, under no certain circumstances will I give the government control over my body and my health care decisions." -Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), a pro-lifer who completely missed the irony of using the same slogan as the pro-choice movement in arguing against health care reform

6. "Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

7. "There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, Oct. 2006

8. "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us 'having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,' and the people -- we the people -- are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country." -Rep. Rep. Michele Bachmann, March 2009

9. "Does that mean that someone's 13-year-old daughter could walk into a sex clinic, have a pregnancy test done, be taken away to the local Planned Parenthood abortion clinic, have their abortion, be back and go home on the school bus? That night, mom and dad are never the wiser." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on health care reform's potential to dupe parents, October 2009

10. "I don't know where they're going to get all this money because we're running out of rich people in this country." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, accusing the Obama administration of plotting to divert money from Republican to Democratic districts and planning to tax the wealthy to fund the windfalls, Feb. 2009

I think from reading all these comments that she is a far better liar than Palin. Palin is too stupid to make these well thought out lies.

 

[Berzerker]

who was dumb and who was dumber?

 

[MobBoss]

That is certainly one way to dodge the question which you have so frequently used in the past.

Its not a dodge, just a simple truth. Your label of 'idiot' assuredly covers a lot more people than mine would.

To keep it somewhat germane to this thread, so you think Palin is intelligent, never deliberately lies, and isn't a fanatic about anything including religion? Or didn't you vote for her in 2008?

She has a college degree so shes intelligent enough. I dont think she deliberately lies, no, but then again, I dont think Obama does either. Also, she's not exactly Fred Phelps, so I dont really think 'fanatic' is a deserving label either. And I did for the McCain/Palin over Obama/Biden and not ashamed I did.

 

[Formaldehyde]

She has a college degree so shes intelligent enough.

You certainly don't seem to know much about college degrees and how easy it is to get a "communications degree", especially if you are on athletic scholarship at most of the colleges in this country.

Even the Fox News talking heads think she is an idiot:


Link to video.


Link to video.

She is as dumb as a stump who echoes lies and deliberate distortions on a regular basks. So she rightfully belongs at Fox News herself.

I dont think she deliberately lies, no...

So you actually do think she has read "all" of the newspapers and magazines, especially since she couldn't even name one?

Or how about any of these:

The Twelve Lies Of Sarah Palin

- She has lied about the Bridge To Nowhere. She ran for office favoring it, wore a sweatshirt defending it, and only gave it up when the federal congress, Senator McCain in particular, went ballistic. She kept the money anyway and favors funding Don Young's Way, at twice the cost of the original bridge.

- She has lied about her firing of the town librarian and police chief of Wasilla, Alaska.

- She has lied about pressure on Alaska's public safety commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law.

- She has lied about her previous statements on climate change.

- She has lied about Alaska's contribution to America's oil and gas production.

- She has lied about when she asked her daughters for their permission for her to run for vice-president.

- She has lied about the actual progress in constructing a natural gas pipeline from Alaska.

- She has lied about Obama's position on habeas corpus.

- She has lied about her alleged tolerance of homosexuality.

- She has lied about the use or non-use of a TelePrompter at the St Paul convention.

- She has lied about her alleged pay-cut as mayor of Wasilla.

- She has lied about what Alaska's state scientists concluded about the health of the polar bear population in Alaska.

Details of each one at the website.

Also, she's not exactly Fred Phelps, so I dont really think 'fanatic' is a deserving label either.

You mean like getting exorcised so she is no longer possessed by the devil?


Link to video.

Or being a member of a Pentacostal Church for over 20 years which speaks in tongues? And she still attends services now and then, even though she formally quit so it wouldn't affect her political aspirations:


Link to video.
So it would appear that Palin actually fails on all 3 grounds. But of course you deny it again as you usually do, even though you can't provide any actual "proof" as I can.

 

[Ajidica]

Do we really have any need to argue about Palin's intellectual accomplishments?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Mobboss claims she is "intelligent enough". Good thing there is ample proof to the contrary that even the Republicans in South Carolina no longer happen to agree with that particular assertion. I'd sure hate for us to get into another Reagan / GWB intellectual nightmare so soon. There hasn't been 12 years since the last one yet.

 

[Ajidica]

She is smart enough to have smart people make decisions for her. Much like Bush.
It doesn't matter if you are smart, but whether you are smart enough to surround yourself with smart people.

 

[Cutlass]

You can't count on dumb people hiring smart ones to work for them. They're more likely to hire criminals and liars.

 

[Formaldehyde]

She is smart enough to have smart people make decisions for her. Much like Bush.
It doesn't matter if you are smart, but whether you are smart enough to surround yourself with smart people.

That certainly worked out well in his case. Didn't it? Do the names Cheney, Ashcroft, Rove, or Rumsfeld mean anything at all to you? How about rationalizing torture which even resulted in death?

There is a reason why none of the top CEOs are idiots, no matter how good the "advisors" they have. After all, it is one of the CEO's primary jobs to vet and hire them...

 

[Tani Coyote]

Sorry, but this is on the level of saying "Hitler showed his deep and abiding love of the Jews by gassing them all at Auschwitz-Birkenau".

Hitler comparisons, really?

ID is nothing but creationism through the back door. It denies every established fact about life on this planet, and continues to maintain that evolution is impossible. It will never be comptaible with evolution, nor will it ever be a scientific theory.

Sure, ID is generally creationists trying to reconcile their faith with evolution in the school system.

But that doesn't change the fact evolution is compatible with intelligent design. ID doesn't prescribe creationism; it prescribes that the watchmaker wasn't blind as secular evolutionists believe.

It merely means that evolution was guided, and not a random process.

I personally am more deist and think God created life and let it runs its course. It'd be boring having to micromanage everything. And I also oppose ID being taught in schools.

That's right conservatives. Ignore the fact that you vote for liars/idiots/fanatics. Head in the sand.

Oh no, many conservatives do know their politicians are scum. They just keep voting for them since they're better than the Democrats in their biased opinions.

Example: Both my parents are strong Republicans. But my mother says she'd rather vote for Obama than Palin. My Dad? Says Obama's so terrible and that even Palin would be better just because she has an R next to her name.

 

[Ajidica]

Sure, ID is generally creationists trying to reconcile their faith with evolution.

No, it is creationists trying to present their religous beliefs as secular and failing miserably.
I remember a PBS show about Kitzmiller v. Dover which included the biology book 'Of Panda's and People' which for a while had featured the term 'Creationism'. All of a sudden, the term switched to 'Intelligent Design'. .Shane. has a link about it in his sig. The judge, appointed by Bush II, ruled that intelligent design was a religous belief and should not be taught in classrooms.
EDIT: Found the graph:

But that doesn't change the fact evolution is compatible with intelligent design. ID doesn't prescribe creationism; it prescribes that the watchmaker wasn't blind as secular evolutionists believe.

ID still proposes that some organism are too complex to have formed naturaly so they 'appeared' out of nowhere. That runs contrary to all of our biological knowledge and requires a belief in a supernatural entity.
What you are thinking of is theistic evolution.

 

[Tani Coyote]

No, it is creationists trying to present their religous beliefs as secular and failing miserably.

Not different from what I said at all. It's trying to reconcile faith with science by mingling the two.

The judge, appointed by Bush II, ruled that intelligent design was a religous belief and should not be taught in classrooms.

Why yes, it is a religious belief, because it attaches God to evolution. So it has no place in the classroom.

ID still proposes that some organism are too complex to have formed naturaly so they 'appeared' out of nowhere. That runs contrary to all of our biological knowledge and requires a belief in a supernatural entity.

Yes, this is true, but it's still compatible with evolution since it's saying evolution had a guiding hand.

Remove God from ID, and bam, you have blind watchmaker evolution.

 

[Elta]

She has a college degree so shes intelligent enough.

Wait a second, you disparage liberal arts degrees, yet consider a communications degree to make someone "intelligent enough"?

That just don't jive Broseidon.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I don't think Mobboss knows much about college athletics, and why most jocks seem to gravititate towards that major or similar ones. I think I've seen USC/UCLA football games where nearly every player announced was either a communications or phys ed major.

 

[Ajidica]

Not different from what I said at all. It's trying to reconcile faith with science by mingling the two.

If relabeling the Vanguard Party as the 'Happy Fun Party' is reconciling with Capitalism, then you are right. Until then, ID is simply a new name on a tired old idea that goes against all geology, biology, and archaeology that we know.

Why yes, it is a religious belief, because it attaches God to evolution. So it has no place in the classroom.

Why then should we be bringing God into a scientific discussion? All it does is add unescesary complications as it relies on an expectation that one can come to a conclusion without empirical evidence.

I don't think Mobboss knows much about college athletics, and why most jocks seem to gravititate towards that major or similar ones. I swear I've seen USC/UCLA games where nearly every person announced was either a communications or a phys ed major.

FWIW, most of the jocks I know are looking at actuarial science as a major.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Then it must be really dumbed down whereever you are looking. Actuarial science is the purview of the some of the smartest people on the planet. It is considered to be the #1 job in this country. The exams to become accredited are supposed to be far tougher than any other discipline.