Michele Bachmann is a "Sarah Palin with a brain"?!?

[Incodcito]

I'd wager that Michele Bachmann is more intelligent then Sarah Palin. However, that difference in intelligence does not necessarily mean that she is smart in any way.

 

[Japanrocks12]

What in the name of all that is holy does anal sex have to do with creationism???

Anal sex is a better remedy for a creationist mindset than many Chinese homeopathic treatments are for common maladies.
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[Dachs]

I said pops as a term of endearment, not an insult You know I think you are awesome and add loads of entertainment to this forum.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

What in the name of all that is holy does anal sex have to do with creationism???

Well, many creationists believe that it is a hugely immoral sin, as most creationists subscribe to the Abrahamic faiths.

Irreligious people may or may not be personally into it, but don't believe that it will deprive you of your immortal soul or plunge you into a lake of fire for all eternity, or that you need to confess it to some dude wearing a dress who pretends to be more connected to the lord than you.

You know what's interesting? I don't often find myself thinking about it, but whenever I flip to a Bible channel there's always some elderly white man complaining about the godless sodomites. Almost like they have a fixation on the subject for some reason.

My theory is, they secretly desire the forbidden fruit.

 

[El_Machinae]

Alternatively, the intent was that ID is an attempt to get Creationism taught, but was done so sneakily.

 

[Miles Teg]

Alternatively, the intent was that ID is an attempt to get Creationism taught, but was done so sneakily.

Isn't that undisputed? I mean, we have drafts of Of Pandas and People (the ID textbook from Kitzmiller v. Dover) from before and after the Supreme Court declared creationism unfit for the classroom. The second draft simply replaced the word "creationism" with "Intelligent Design". They even used the same definition for "creation science" that they would use for "intelligent design".

 

[Tani Coyote]

Are there any cases of liberal politicians making idiots out of themselves, i.e. blatantly distorting facts/remaining ignorant of some?

It was the only comparison to accurately show how awful your previous statement was.

Hitler comparisons are considered bad taste in nearly every context. Case in point: Hannity attacked one of his callers for comparing Obama's speaking skills to Hitler's. HANNITY.

If you don't like Hitler comparisons, don't go around being an apologist for creationism through the back door in future.

I'm not apologising from Creationism. I'm merely saying intelligent design doesn't prescribe creationism per se.

Either way it's irrelevant since neither belongs in the schools.

Anyway, let's get back on topic.

 

[cardgame]

Intelligent Design is just creationism under another name.

 

[Tani Coyote]

"Intelligent design is the proposition that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.""

I don't see "God created the universe as is" anywhere in there.

I see evolution being guided by God as what it's saying. While a religious belief and thus having no place in the classroom, that isn't the same as saying "God created Adam and Eve and that's that."

Of course, it depends on how creationism is used: the literal meaning of there just being a God who created all, or a God who created the universe as the Bible says (i.e. no evolution)

It's definitely the former, intelligent design, but it's not the latter since it doesn't rule out evolution.

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ANYWAY. Back on topic, please.

 

[Cutlass]

But "Intelligent Design" as a "theory" was only and particularly invented to get a form of creation introduced into science education.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

Hitler comparisons are considered bad taste in nearly every context. Case in point: Hannity attacked one of his callers for comparing Obama's speaking skills to Hitler's. HANNITY.

And that is exactly why I used it. You're saying that ID can be compatible with evolution is at that level of bad. If I were going to print what I exactly thought at the time I would have accumulated about 20 infractions straight away. What I wrote was the cleaned-up version.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Michele Bachmann tells Tea Partyers in New Hamshire that they are actually in Massachusetts ... twice!

Bachmann Muddles American History, Puts Battles Of Lexington And Concord In New Hampshire

Rep. Michele Bachmann got her Revolutionary War history a bit screwed up at an event in New Hampshire today, telling the crowd: "What I love about New Hampshire and what we have in common is our extreme love for liberty. You're the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and Concord."

But, as the Minnesota Post points out, she made the same mistake the night before on the sea coast of New Hampshire: "It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world, you are the state of Lexington and Concord (sic), you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard."

Bachmann's gotten her American history wrong before. Back in January, she lauded the United States for its early commitment to diversity. "It didn't matter the color of their skin, it didn't matter their language, it didn't matter their economic status," Bachmann said of the first settlers. She also praised the founders who she said "worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States."

 

[JollyRoger]

She does have an extreme love for taking liberties.

 

[cardgame]

eh, getting geography a bit wrong is a forgiveable mistake I suppose.

That quip about slavery just seems messed up though.

 

[Syterion]

I'm going to talk about the only important issue in this discussion.

Palin is WAY hotter than Bachmann. That's obvious to me, but I welcome counterarguments.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have not noticed, with either Bachmann or Palin, any profound intelligent statements of any sort.

What metric are we using to suggest Bachmann is superior to Palin?

Please give examples of intelligent statements made by either person.

 

[Miles Teg]

Michele Bachmann tells Tea Partyers in New Hamshire that they are actually in Massachusetts ... twice!

As far as these things go, thinking that founding fathers originally set up a society where race and class didn't matter is far, far worse than confusing Concord, Massachusetts with Concord, New Hampshire. The latter is middle school trivia, but the former is a such a fundamental misunderstanding of our country's history that it shows she hasn't done any thinking about the founding fathers that she claims to be inspired by.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

As far as these things go, thinking that founding fathers originally set up a society where race and class didn't matter is far, far worse than confusing Concord, Massachusetts with Concord, New Hampshire. The latter is middle school trivia, but the former is a such a fundamental misunderstanding of our country's history that it shows she hasn't done any thinking about the founding fathers that she claims to be inspired by.

You HAVE to be distrustful of people who use the words "patriotism", "founding fathers", "strict constitutionalism", "time-tested values", and wrap themselves in the flag and tell stories about "our nation's glorious history", because they usually have no clue about any of these things. They simply are buzzwords that appeal to the flag-waving crowd who is too lazy to ask critical questions as long as they're being pandered to.

The more a politician sucks up to God, flag, family values, and our founding fathers, the more of a soulless scumsucker they usually are. Fake, fake, fake. Rule of thumb: if they aren't discussing their platform and the issues, they have no platform, and their issue is to retain power and keep it out of the hands of people who might make a difference. They are lip service politicians who only serve the interests of the powerful.

 

[JollyRoger]

Are you traitors asserting that we didn't whoop the British in both Massachusetts and New Hampshire?

 

[Miles Teg]

I'm not quite so hostile towards references to the nation's history or founding myself. It is an inspiring story, and many of the founding fathers were exceptional people. What's more, it's all part of the ritual glue that holds our country together. Countries need their own mythology of sorts. The United States doesn't have the kind of unified ethnic background that Germany or China does, so it can't just use stories about the great accomplishments of it's ethnic people to inspire it's citizens. Instead, we've had to make ourselves a story based on the accomplishments of the nation's citizens over the last two hundred odd years. Like all young things, it comes on a little strong sometimes, but it's effective in promoting essential national unity.

However, I will say that I don't trust people who say "I agree with the founding fathers on everything (important). That's really just a cipher for "The founding fathers would have agreed with me on everything (important), so stop arguing." It's entirely possible to think that the people who founded this country were exceptional, and crafted a system of government that works quite well, without pretending that the last two centuries of intellectual development haven't rendered some of their opinions outdated or obsolete.