Minnesota State Gov. Shuts Down

It means we have far more capital than people are willing to invest. And yet the argument is that we have to have more before they will invest what they've had for years.
When I read statements like this, I still see a reversal of cause and effect. You see idle machines and say, what, we should inflate (or tax) and inject money to get them online again, but you never ask why the machines are idle in the first place. If consumers start liking a new product B over product A, product A may go out of business, its capital, unused. There's no doubt we could keep company A running if we wanted to, but that'd be a net loss; the consumers have decided that company A no longer serves their ends. The period of adjustment, where A's capital is reallocated in some other use, requires that people first know what to use it for, so it's reasonable that it will sit "underutilized" for some time. This is both necessary and essential to growth.

For instance, take the housing boom. Cheap money and affordable housing policy perpetuated unsustainable growth in that industry -- that is, malinvestment. Malinvestment per se isn't a problem (though we shouldn't encourage it via government coercion) as long as markets are allowed to address and correct for it, and that's exactly what the inevitable downslide does. It's a period of correction. In housing, a million-or-so homes ended up standing empty; people began to realize that starting up that construction business or quitting one's old job to be a realtor wasn't such a great idea. Spending, via inflating savings away and spurring malinvestment, may take some pain out of the correction today (the utter failure by any objective standard of Obama's massive stimulus calls even this into question, however), but like a heroin addict shooting up every time he feels the itch, it just ends up making that final period of withdrawal much worse.
 
What really pisses me off is that while this drags on, we aren't making money on several things we usually do, state park tourism, lottery sales, etc.
 
I don't understand how the lottery can be shut down when the state doesn't pay for it, the people that buy the tickets do. The lottery in fact pays into the state.

The state parks, I have no idea.
 
Maybe the general fund pays to run the lottery, but the lottery funds go to a fund that's not the general fund so it's a net expense to the general fund? :confused:
 
I don't understand how the lottery can be shut down when the state doesn't pay for it, the people that buy the tickets do. The lottery in fact pays into the state.

The state parks, I have no idea.
It's not like the lottery has it's own separate budget. All of its proceeds go to the state, and all of employees who run the lotto get their salary from the state. No state, no lotto.

But yeah, it's crazy that political brinksmanship is doing so much damage to the state right now.
 
Maybe the general fund pays to run the lottery, but the lottery funds go to a fund that's not the general fund so it's a net expense to the general fund? :confused:
That's probably the case. It would have been averted if that MSP/lottery privatization bill got anywhere a few years back.
 
When I read statements like this, I still see a reversal of cause and effect. You see idle machines and say, what, we should inflate (or tax) and inject money to get them online again, but you never ask why the machines are idle in the first place. If consumers start liking a new product B over product A, product A may go out of business, its capital, unused. There's no doubt we could keep company A running if we wanted to, but that'd be a net loss; the consumers have decided that company A no longer serves their ends. The period of adjustment, where A's capital is reallocated in some other use, requires that people first know what to use it for, so it's reasonable that it will sit "underutilized" for some time. This is both necessary and essential to growth.

For instance, take the housing boom. Cheap money and affordable housing policy perpetuated unsustainable growth in that industry -- that is, malinvestment. Malinvestment per se isn't a problem (though we shouldn't encourage it via government coercion) as long as markets are allowed to address and correct for it, and that's exactly what the inevitable downslide does. It's a period of correction. In housing, a million-or-so homes ended up standing empty; people began to realize that starting up that construction business or quitting one's old job to be a realtor wasn't such a great idea. Spending, via inflating savings away and spurring malinvestment, may take some pain out of the correction today (the utter failure by any objective standard of Obama's massive stimulus calls even this into question, however), but like a heroin addict shooting up every time he feels the itch, it just ends up making that final period of withdrawal much worse.


This post demonstrates a fundamental failure to comprehend what is going on. We are not talking about a firm with unused capacity. We are talking about an economy with unused capacity. And the reason for that is that the consumers do not have enough income to buy what the economy has the capacity to produce.
 
Supply side has failed since 2001, yet instead of trying the demand side stuff that worked in the 1990's some insist that doubling down on supply side is what we need.
 
Supply side has failed since 2001, yet instead of trying the demand side stuff that worked in the 1990's some insist that doubling down on supply side is what we need.

:nope: Supply Side has failed since 1981. You can't actually find a place when it hasn't failed.
 
This post demonstrates a fundamental failure to comprehend what is going on. We are not talking about a firm with unused capacity. We are talking about an economy with unused capacity. And the reason for that is that the consumers do not have enough income to buy what the economy has the capacity to produce.
That was just an example. The idea of excess capacity is incoherent at best, for reasons I addressed. Also, you still fail to understand that the value of income equals the value of production.
 
That was just an example. The idea of excess capacity is incoherent at best, for reasons I addressed. Also, you still fail to understand that, generally speaking, the value of income equals the value of production.


The idea of excess capacity is a core principle of understanding macro economics. In fact, if you don't understand that, then you don't understand macroeconomics. The 2 concepts cannot be separated.

And the other part sounds like Say's Law. Which has been debunked and debunked to the point where there's really no further reason to debunk it again. The income to production will not purchase that production under normal circumstances unless government goes to long efforts to empower labor beyond market conditions.
 
All wealth is the product of labor. - John Locke

Missing the point. I was commenting on the fallacious "consumers don't have enough money to buy what is produced" statement. If something cannot be sold, prices will be cut until it is.

@Cutlass: The competing theory didn't work for Hoover, didn't work for FDR, didn't work for Bush, didn't work for Obama, didn't work for Japan in the '90s, and really, hasn't worked ever if you don't count the results of models that already assume it has worked. You're preaching a dead theory which really only serves to advance your ignorant economic creationism.
 
Missing the point. I was commenting on the fallacious "consumers don't have enough money to buy what is produced" statement.
How is that fallacious? It has been a jobless recovery because capitalists are afraid to up capacity because consumers lack the wealth to pay for the increased capicity. Ten years of supply side has created an imbalance that can only be cured by propping up the demand side, not doubling down on imbalance.
 
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