Morality exists without your God.

[ParkCungHee]

Except when one is trying to emphasize that their are other gods....

Note that Theists themselves rarely use this language with each other. If I'm going to debate the nature of God with a Jew, or a Muslim or a Hindu, we wouldn't say "Your god" or "my god" we would simply outline our disagreements about god.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Oh, I was referring to how it'd be pronounced if there were no e at the end. With the e, I think the best way is "NEETSCH-eh"... although that doesn't quite get it either.

It is a German name, so the proper pronunciation is German.


Link to video.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

It is a German name, so the proper pronunciation is German.

*snipped for the aesthetics*

Link to video.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Note that Theists themselves rarely use this language with each other. If I'm going to debate the nature of God with a Jew, or a Muslim or a Hindu, we wouldn't say "Your god" or "my god" we would simply outline our disagreements about god.

Point well taken.

 

[Angst]

Formaldehyde, that link is all wrong.


Link to video.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Note that Theists themselves rarely use this language with each other. If I'm going to debate the nature of God with a Jew, or a Muslim or a Hindu, we wouldn't say "Your god" or "my god" we would simply outline our disagreements about god.

Exactly. A Christian doesn't think of a Muslim as worshiping some entirely distinct false God. Instead, he thinks that he's horribly misinformed about God.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Exactly. A Christian doesn't think of a Muslim as worshiping some entirely distinct false God. Instead, he thinks that he's horribly misinformed about God.

Well, a reasonable Christian does. I have seen Christians refer to Muslims as worshiping "their god" and it's highly divisive and offensive when they do it.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

It is a German name, so the proper pronunciation is German.

As if I didn't know this. I thought it was known that I'm a Germany fanboy.

 

[Dachs]

As if I didn't know this. I thought it was known that I'm a Germany fanboy.

Hell, dude, non-#nes people don't know that much about me, and I'm way more active than you are.

 

[Ayatollah So]

Where do you think they go wrong?

I don't know enough about Nietzsche to say, really. Sartre's my real target anyway. Sartre believes that "existence is prior to essence". If I recall, he even made that the foundation of the word "existentialism". Sartre's "existence is prior" is French-philosopher-code for "we have contra-causal free will." And that's not just incidental to his views on morality, whereby he accuses moral realists and cognitivists of "bad faith". It's absolutely central, because without that alleged ex nihilo freedom, we couldn't create values in the way Sartre says we must. And we wouldn't (don't) need to create values ex nihilo. We could (can) study our essential human qualities, and figure out what makes us flourish or suffer.

I hope you didn't intend those words to rhyme *shudder*

That's what makes it funny!

 

[Traitorfish]

I don't know enough about Nietzsche to say, really. Sartre's my real target anyway. Sartre believes that "existence is prior to essence". If I recall, he even made that the foundation of the word "existentialism". Sartre's "existence is prior" is French-philosopher-code for "we have contra-causal free will." And that's not just incidental to his views on morality, whereby he accuses moral realists and cognitivists of "bad faith". It's absolutely central, because without that alleged ex nihilo freedom, we couldn't create values in the way Sartre says we must. And we wouldn't (don't) need to create values ex nihilo. We could (can) study our essential human qualities, and figure out what makes us flourish or suffer.

What about existentialists like Merleau-Ponty, who accept the claim that "existence is prior to essence", but reject Sartre's understanding of free will?

(I'm not attempting to argue, you understand, just asking; I know just enough about existentialism to discuss it, but not enough to debate for or against.)

 

[Save_Ferris]

We either have a god or we don't. If He exists, He isn't mine and he isn't yours. If He doesn't, He's none of ours.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

We either have a god or we don't. If He exists, He isn't mine and he isn't yours. If He doesn't, He's none of ours.

So it's complete nonsense to claim any sort of morality as divine.

 

[Leoreth]

Note that Theists themselves rarely use this language with each other. If I'm going to debate the nature of God with a Jew, or a Muslim or a Hindu, we wouldn't say "Your god" or "my god" we would simply outline our disagreements about god.

Out of curiosity, how does that play out between monotheists and polytheists? Do Christians try to find God in Brahman and treat other Hindu deities as aspects of him or some kind of analogue to angels or what?

I mean, religion is more diverse and complex than "there's an all-powerful creator and this is what he wants you to do" and everyone can acknowledge this and then disagree about the details.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Out of curiosity, how does that play out between monotheists and polytheists? Do Christians try to find God in Brahman and treat other Hindu deities as aspects of him or some kind of analogue to angels or what?

There's plenty of Hindus that see all the deities as aspects of Brahman. In fact, a lot of Hindu philosophers think there's nothing but Brahman.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Actually the more philosophical members of almost all polytheistic religions tend towards Panentheism.

 

[Save_Ferris]

So it's complete nonsense to claim any sort of morality as divine.

Explanation?

 

[Traitorfish]

We either have a god or we don't. If He exists, He isn't mine and he isn't yours. If He doesn't, He's none of ours.

If it does exist, it's unlikely to be something that we could meaningfully describe as "He", though.

 

[Save_Ferris]

If it does exist, it's unlikely to be something that we could meaningfully describe as "He", though.

I don't believe that God has a gender, but every time I think of Him It I imagine It as a He. Probably the old popular view of a guy with a beard sitting on a cloud.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Explanation?

Because different people have different ideas about what divine morality is, so at the end of the day that claim is more subjective than an idea which evolved over time.