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Indeed, it has numerous references kids won't understand, much like Disney films. Off the top of my head it references The Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy in the episode Fall Weather Friends.
Sesame Street was (in)famous for doing this to keep the parents interested. It became a cult show for many back when I was in college. You would see a dozen or so students clustered around the TV in the student center each day when it was on. It was like Rain Man and People's Court. They refused to miss an episode and would never schedule a lab when it was on.
 
Wow. Just, wow.
I will try my best to accomodate to the level of cynicism, prejudice and arrogance displayed in this thread. But first let me state my personal expierience with the show:

I was fascinated (at best) by the phenomenon and had some rather negative suspicions about it. But i choose not to be as forward as some have chosen to be here and keep all of that to myself.

Eventually the debate on whether the show had racist undertones kinda lured my into trying it and i ended up watching the entire season on like two weekends.
I considered the show not particularly great but fun, wholesome entertainment and i was actually pleased that something this insightful is shown to kids today instead of the visual feces i had to suffer through 25 years ago.
All of that happened roughly two month ago. Since then i have felt no particular desire to post ponies on the internet. My life continued unponyfied but enriched by a minor fun expierience that certainly was at least par for what the entertainment industry throws at you.

Btw: I found the racism claim to be perfectly ridiculous. I could address every argument in that direction at some length.
Maybe my naive non-american perspective letting my assume Twilight Sparkle was black for like the first four episodes was a factor. :mischief:

Let me add that i like few things more than finding an American entertainer who is a bigot to bash. Among those few things is finding something to ridicule a vocal Catholic on this board.
So i really tried my best to hate the show. Unfortunatly it was really decent.
I think it's mostly based on adolescents who have just dicovered irony and aren't aware that they can overkill on it

I've never seen an episode but I'm probably still right.
You feel good about that second sentence? I mean, not that it isn't better than the first one.
I've never watched it and agree it looks slightly odd, but there are a lot of shows targeted at children that have a large periphery demographic (and justifiably so), so I won't think anything of it.
The first one not to judge what he doesn't know.
I applaud your patriotism.
Teenagers without enough social cop-on are exactly the type of people to post fan art.
What about men, aged 30, who do six foot blondes, when they are not debating overly judgemental people on the internet?
I don't see a difference between this and Harry Potter quite frankly. Both are intended for children but are enjoyed by adults.
I hate, hate, hate Harry Potter...
Because it's a cartoon specifically made and targeted towards prepubescent girls based on a toy specifically made and targeted to prepubescent girls.

I understand when people like cartoons, because it's nostalgic; they watched it when they were 8 or something, like TMNT, or when the target market is not 11 year old girls, but if you're making an effort to watch a cartoon made for kids, especially one of such a specific demographic, and you're above the age of 13, there is something deeply wrong with you.
Erm, shows don't always work out the way they were originally intended. Audiences may jump in in unexpected proportions, you may have accidentally created a breakout character, etc.
Ask Matt Groening and David Hyde Pierce about it (who have between "their" shows some 60 Emmys in some part based on such phenomena).
What the hell is the deal with this?

It's a cartoon targeted at prepubescent girls, based on a child's toy, again for prepubescent girls, and there are adults who unashamedly watch this?

Am I the only one who finds this at best moronic, and at worst completely and horifically creepy?

What's the appeal here? :confused:
The appeal is what others have discribed as the show not being "cynical" without being shallow or stupid. The show basically deals with moral dilemmata that the ponies eventually overcome by clearly favoring virtue ethics over consequentialism.
Four of the ponies represent the cardinal virtues: Fluttershy is temperance, Applejack and Rainbow Dash share justice and courage between them (they messed that up a bit with the insistance on the whole Southerner theme) while Twilight Sparkle - the pony i originally thought of as black embodies what would have been the most anti-stereotypical trait possible, the highest of all virtues: prudence.*
A trait that would have, more equally distributed, spared us this thread...
Let me emphasize once more: The ponies usually don't get to do this the easy way. They frequently fail and often in a rather harsh way, considering that some pre-school children watch the show.
Most of the dilemmata are perfectly applicable to adult life and some of them have political angles to them, both of which a child wouldn't understand.

*Rarity adds sophistication, while Pinkie Pie is just superfluous. and quite annoying.
Please note that i had to look up the names of the ponies on wikipedia to do this. You know, before you call me a fanboy or anything...

The fact that someone had to make an image macro of that (who is probably a 32 year old basement dweller) hardly helps the cause.
A blanket ad-hominem argument, stating that everyone who disagrees with you on this must be a loser.
How adult...
Like I said: it's just a supplement for gaydar. No big psychoanalysis necessary. Moving on.
An incredibly bold and uninformed statement on a subject that happens to be not history. Nothing new. Moving on.
That would make more sense if they really didn't, in fact, care what we thought. Many of them do.
I believed that was the purpose of this forum. Like... by definition.
Basically my choice is a) not to read or post or b) to care about what you think.
Unfortunatly.
You seem to disagree.
Unfortunatly.

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Dear Moderaters: I gladly take a point for this if any or all of the serious, gaydaring, "creep" fearing, non-idiotic etc. etc. etc. *gaspingforair*... adults feel that i have failed to reciprocate their polite and diplomatic approach to the issue.
 
metatron, forma, this thread is like caricature central for you guys

it's like bringing innon or cheezy or traitorfish into a socialist thread, or mobby/pat/colonel into a military thread
I believed that was the purpose of this forum. Like... by definition.
Basically my choice is a) not to read or post or b) to care about what you think.
Unfortunatly.
You seem to disagree.
Unfortunatly.
Spoiler boring tl;dr :
I don't think you understand what I meant at all. Defiant posted some blanket psychoanalytic garbage that included an assertion that these people don't care what other people think. Obviously plenty of them do, so I said that he couldn't be right because of that. I'm...not sure what you're reading into my post, but it can't have anything to do with what I actually said.
 
This needs to be said.

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I can see a point in that, but it's one thing to enjoy well-done children's entertainment and another to have avatars, fanart, multiple page threads, and image macros based on it altogether. That just seems wrong on some level, and I like to think that Mr. Lewis would agree with me.
 
also, an atheist using Lewis to prove a point about animated horses is high comedy
 
What, an atheist and a Catholic can't agree on things entirely unrelated from religion?

Puh-lease :lol:
 
So much ignorance and bile in this thread, I don't even know where to begin.

Okay, first off, how is anyone a pedophile for watching a cartoon show? About half of you are making this claim, and the other half are claiming that we're creepy basement dwellers. Cut it out, if you wanted an actual conversation instead of a mudslinging match then you'd stop being so intentionally offensive.

Second, I know this may be hard to believe for all of you, but the show is good. I do not like it because it's "ironic", I like it because the charecters feel like actual people, the comedy is good and reminiscent of many of the old cartoons, and it has a refreshingly positive tone.

Third, Lauren Faust (the executive producer of season 1) has stated multiple times that they made the show with the intention of making it enjoyable for adult males, as shown here on her deviantart account:
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Fourth, if you haven't seen the show, please stop complaining about shows you don't watch, or at the very least spare five minutes to do some research before doing so.
 
I actually gave the show a chance. I was even able to get through a whole episode without vomiting. I'm going to insist that it's overrated.

If you're going to psychoanalyze anyone, at least pick on Power Rangers enthusiasts. Those guys are just weird.

Power Rangers actually had a lot of pretty good episodes interspersed with its interminable crap. And if you're a teenager or adult watching PR, you can always claim that you're only watching it for the Pink Ranger.

Would a girl get hated on if she suggested Transformers was awesome?

Only if she's talking about RID or the Michael Bay trilogy. Otherwise, she wouldn't get hated on because she's completely correct. If she liked Power Rangers, however, I'd be extremely suspicious.

The show basically deals with moral dilemmata that the ponies eventually overcome by clearly favoring virtue ethics over consequentialism.
Four of the ponies represent the cardinal virtues: Fluttershy is temperance, Applejack and Rainbow Dash share justice and courage between them (they messed that up a bit with the insistance on the whole Southerner theme) while Twilight Sparkle - the pony i originally thought of as black embodies what would have been the most anti-stereotypical trait possible, the highest of all virtues: prudence.*

Overanalyze much? I mean, I could just as easily claim that the five Autobots in the first Bayformers movie represented five virtues (Optimus: selflessness; Ironhide: courage; Ratchet: intelligence; Bumblebee: compassion; Jazz: something about equality or diversity or tolerance or some crap. Seriously, his whole character was that he was black), but it doesn't mean that it's the creator's intent.
 
I can see a point in that, but it's one thing to enjoy well-done children's entertainment and another to have avatars, fanart, multiple page threads, and image macros based on it altogether. That just seems wrong on some level, and I like to think that Mr. Lewis would agree with me.
Oh please that is just as "wrong" as any other excessive fandom. Maybe they are wrong (if you really want to make such a case on a nerdy board), but surely not because of ponies.
This is another glorious example of how the pedophilia hysteria of our day messes with people's heads. Seriously, I get the impression that some not so dumb people couldn't escape the mass brain washing when it comes to anything "related" to pedophilia nevertheless. It is like stupidity and bigotry, which some usually fight off pretty good, managed a great score where it usually didn't through the back door of pedophilia.
 
Oh please that is just as "wrong" as any other excessive fandom. Maybe they are wrong (if you really want to make such a case on a nerdy board), but surely not because of ponies.

Yeah, we are the CivFanatics after all.
 
Oh please that is just as "wrong" as any other excessive fandom. Maybe they are wrong (if you really want to make such a case on a nerdy board), but surely not because of ponies.
This is another glorious example of how the pedophilia hysteria of our day messes with people's heads. Seriously, I get the impression that some not so dumb people couldn't escape the mass brain washing when it comes to anything "related" to pedophilia nevertheless. It is like stupidity and bigotry, which some usually fight off pretty got, managed a great score where it usually didn't through the back door of pedophilia.
I don't think it's pedophilia. :confused:
 
Defiant posted some blanket psychoanalytic garbage that included an assertion that these people don't care what other people think. Obviously plenty of them do

Charmed.

My assertion was a rather simple one that has now been backed up by Form's links and quotes. That the main thrust of this show's popularity with the adult audience is a sense of "cultural irony" at its foundation. I just personally find this a rather low-quality reason to back up the sizable cult following that occurred.

The "don't care about what others think" is a bit more "meta", if you will. Some people enjoy engaging in bouts of irony as a refusal to conform and to show that they don't care what others think (and then find like-minded individuals to achieve unity and solidarity). But at their very core, they do care what others think.

If you didn't care what others think, you wouldn't take actions to specifically display and take pride in actions that show you don't care about what others think. It just feels to me like this show is one of those things. People identify with it in order to prove to everybody that they don't conform to the main group.

Key words: "feels to me like". Not trying to make any hardcore intellectual assertion here.
 
I don't think it's pedophilia. :confused:
No? Why else would public cheering by adults for a TV series for young female children "just seem wrong"? Because boys don't play with Barbie's? That's too superficial. We don't call it creepy when a boy likes romantic films, we hardly call it anything these days, maybe effeminate.
 
My thoughts on the subject are basically I don't understand why this show has gotten a big following, more than objecting to it. Maybe it's because I haven't watched it, but going by what people say, it's more or less another optimistic kids show full of rainbows and fun stuff like that, with no real substance other than that.

And the thing is, I don't mind adults watching kid's shows, if they have some real substance behind them. Like, for example, recently I've fallen in love with Samurai Jack. A show that was aired on Cartoon Network for kids about 7 years ago, but the thing is, it also went on to win four Emmy's due to damn good writing and the cinematic treatment it got. The best episodes of the series are the ones in which only two or three lines will be spoken throughout the entire 30 minute episode, the rest of the story is told through the animation and the animation alone. It's a really, really beautiful show with a very adult temperament.

/shameless plug for Samurai Jack
 
No? Why else would public cheering by adults for a TV series for young female children "just seem wrong"? Because boys don't play with Barbie's? That's too superficial. We don't call it creepy when a boy likes romantic films, we hardly call it anything these days, maybe effeminate.
You've quoted somebody who isn't me. Congratulations?
 
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