pre-release info New Civ Game Guide: Abbasid

[Xandinho]

I think it is highly likely that we will have an Arab leader, although not necessarily an Abbasid one. My money is on Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Speaking of yields... We don't have Faith yield this time around right?

This makes a lot of sense, since religion seems to be mostly exploration era mechanic. So, happiness it is.

 

[JNR13]

I think the building in the top left is the Abbasid style version of the generic "Temple". It looks similar in general shape and layout to what seems to be a cathedral in Norman cities. The Pavilion has a victory podium like shape (xXx) instead. It could also be the Bank building though. The large building next to the House of Wisdom is a University. The smaller building behind it is the city center.

(only Exploration Age structures are marked)

No palace anywhere, but it can be seen in the Hatshepsut video.

The Songhai palace indicates this footage is quite old. The same shot also has a European-style Bazaar, despite the Hatshepsut first look showing the proper Abbasid version already.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Medina is soo generic.. so is mosque, so is ulema... none of these are "Abbasid" coded, so even though we're not getting a generic "arabia" like we did in civ 6, it still feels that way on first glance. Maybe with a deeper look into this new reveal (like at the actual abilities), I will change my first impressioni. Also, while waqf is kind of generic as well, now I can't unsee it as the best word for this concept of a quarter!

I'm not necessarily suprised. Maybe they went generic so they could have a more specific one later. I don't know about specifically another Arabian caliphate, but maybe one centered in the Maghreb, like Morocco? They could also save a medina quarter for that civ later.

 

[pokiehl]

I think it is highly likely that we will have an Arab leader, although not necessarily an Abbasid one. My money is on Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan.

If there were a leader for this civ, I think one of the great thinkers from the Islamic Golden Age would be a good choice. It’d be a great opportunity to design someone who matches the Scientific and Cultural focus of the Abbasids. And it wouldn’t need to be limited to Arabs, since Persians were a huge influence on the golden age.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I'm not necessarily suprised. Maybe they went generic so they could have a more specific one later. I don't know about specifically another Arabian caliphate, but maybe one centered in the Maghreb, like Morocco? They could also save a medina quarter for that civ later.

The most obvious 'Arabic Addition' later would be either Umayyad or, based on Mods in both Civ V and Civ VI, the Cordoban Al-Andalus off-shoot of the Umayyads. On the other hand, having used up the 'generic' titles for the Abbasids, you have to wonder what they are planning (if anything is planned in detail) for later.

I think, honestly, the 'mosque' is simply too associated with any Arabic Civ (post-Mohammed, anyway) to not be used. As said, medina and ulema seem to be pretty generic Arabic nouns, unless they have other semi-generic words in reserve for another Civ or Very Specific words fr Unique associated with them.

Too early to worry about it: I would be very surprised to se Exploration Age middle east filled out with more Civs for some time to come after Release.

 

[Paisley_Trees]

The most obvious 'Arabic Addition' later would be either Umayyad or, based on Mods in both Civ V and Civ VI, the Cordoban Al-Andalus off-shoot of the Umayyads. On the other hand, having used up the 'generic' titles for the Abbasids, you have to wonder what they are planning (if anything is planned in detail) for later.

I think, honestly, the 'mosque' is simply too associated with any Arabic Civ (post-Mohammed, anyway) to not be used. As said, medina and ulema seem to be pretty generic Arabic nouns, unless they have other semi-generic words in reserve for another Civ or Very Specific words fr Unique associated with them.

Too early to worry about it: I would be very surprised to se Exploration Age middle east filled out with more Civs for some time to come after Release.

but then they used specifically NOT a mosque for its model? Am I being too picky? lol
Edit: thanks JNR13, wealth of knowledge, it’s model is Khulafa Mosque

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

If there were a leader for this civ, I think one of the great thinkers from the Islamic Golden Age would be a good choice. It’d be a great opportunity to design someone who matches the Scientific and Cultural focus of the Abbasids. And it wouldn’t need to be limited to Arabs, since Persians were a huge influence on the golden age.

If I had a guess, I'd say we're going to see them on Thursday, so everyone ready your predictions!

 

[stealth_nsk]

I think Civ7 will try to avoid having more than 1 representation of similar culture in the same age (the only potential exception is what we could have more than one Mesopotamian civ in far future), so I really doubt we'll have another exploration age Arabic civ. And speaking about modern age - Ottomans were the caliphate taking the most of its time.

So, despite Abbasids being quite specific and leaving space for another Arabic civ, I don't believe we'll have one even with expansions. Too many bigger spots to fill.

 

[JNR13]

but then they used specifically NOT a mosque for its model? Am I being too picky? lol

I think the model's reference was the Khulafa Mosque, which also has an octagonal main building with a dome (although colors and shape details might also be inspired by the DotR; fair assumption though, I guess, since not many Abbasid mosques survived in their original form with original paint and all). The minarets are a very close fit though.

 

[Zaarin]

I think Civ7 will try to avoid having more than 1 representation of similar culture in the same age (the only potential exception is what we could have more than one Mesopotamian civ in far future), so I really doubt we'll have another exploration age Arabic civ. And speaking about modern age - Ottomans were the caliphate taking the most of its time.

So, despite Abbasids being quite specific and leaving space for another Arabic civ, I don't believe we'll have one even with expansions. Too many bigger spots to fill.

Al-Andalus has been a popular request, is as much a Berber or Iberian civ as it is Arab, and fits neatly with the Age system; I think we'll see them at some point.

 

[Paisley_Trees]

I think the model's reference was the Khulafa Mosque, which also has an octagonal main building with a dome (although colors and shape details might also be inspired by the DotR; fair assumption though, I guess, since not many Abbasid mosques survived in their original form with original paint and all). The minarets are a very close fit though.

Aha, THANK YOU! I knew I must have been missing something. Makes a lot more sense than DotR, but the gold dome was throwing me off (that’s what I was searching to find it’s model)

 

[stealth_nsk]

Al-Andalus has been a popular request, is as much a Berber or Iberian civ as it is Arab, and fits neatly with the Age system; I think we'll see them at some point.

Potentially yes. But for exploration age we have some pretty big and interesting spots, like:
- Aztecs
- Samurai Japan
- Muskovy
- Poland
- Portugal
- Georgia
etc.
Those are known in pop culture, but there are much more interesting civs developers could pull out, like second African civ.

With all this, Al-Andalus looks like a pretty distant possibility.

 

[JNR13]

I think Morocco might be more likely since it covers checkboxes better:
- more understood to be African representation nowadays
- represents a contemporary nation state
- has already been a civ before
- trade-heavy uniques would fit the gameplay focus of the exploration era
- less overlap with existing civs (not just Abbasids but also Spain, the latter of which has a Cordoba-inspired City Hall building) but sitting neatly in between Spain and Songhai

 

[Zaarin]

I think Morocco might be more likely since it covers checkboxes better:
- more understood to be African representation nowadays
- represents a contemporary nation state
- has already been a civ before
- trade-heavy uniques would fit the gameplay focus of the exploration era
- less overlap with existing civs (not just Abbasids but also Spain, the latter of which has a Cordoba-inspired City Hall building) but sitting neatly in between Spain and Songhai

I'd expect Exploration Al-Andalus > Modern Morocco personally. I also just realized that I think Al-Andalus would be the most satisfying continuation for Phoenicia for me personally...

 

[Rac]

I think Civ7 will try to avoid having more than 1 representation of similar culture in the same age (the only potential exception is what we could have more than one Mesopotamian civ in far future), so I really doubt we'll have another exploration age Arabic civ. And speaking about modern age - Ottomans were the caliphate taking the most of its time.

So, despite Abbasids being quite specific and leaving space for another Arabic civ, I don't believe we'll have one even with expansions. Too many bigger spots to fill.

I think Umayyad, Andalus, Ayyubid, Oman, Rasulid/Yemen, Fatimid/Ifriqiya, Almohad and Almoravid are the obvious Arabian options in the future for Exploration MENA civs; Seljuk, Buyid, Khwarazm, as well Ottoman and Safavid, and yes I still consider these 2 happening in Exploration yet, have more odds perhaps?

 

[Leucarum]

Al-Andalus has been a popular request, is as much a Berber or Iberian civ as it is Arab, and fits neatly with the Age system; I think we'll see them at some point.

Realistically I also doubt they'd be competing with the abassids for religious unique buildings so no worries there about having abilities with very generic names.

I guess since religion is only so far confirmed to be a huge deal in exploration, generic religion buildings/units don't rule out a culture's descendants/ancestors from other ages.

 

[Josephias]

Al-Andalus has been a popular request, is as much a Berber or Iberian civ as it is Arab, and fits neatly with the Age system; I think we'll see them at some point.

If you want to consider them fully, they should be rather Almoravids or Almohads istead of Al-Andalus (the Iberian peninsula region). Almohads, with their checkered square symbol, seem a clear favorite for a civ.

 

[Zaarin]

If you want to consider them fully, they should be rather Almoravids or Almohads istead of Al-Andalus (the Iberian peninsula region). Almohads, with their checkered square symbol, seem a clear favorite for a civ.

I'd prefer the more cultural Umayyad Al-Andalus/Caliphate of Cordoba to the more fundamentalist/militarist Almoravids and Almohads personally. They would be more distinct from Abbasids, but I don't think they'd capture what made al-Andalus interesting or unique.

 

[Xandinho]

Potentially yes. But for exploration age we have some pretty big and interesting spots, like:
- Aztecs
- Samurai Japan
- Muskovy
- Poland
- Portugal
- Georgia
etc.
Those are known in pop culture, but there are much more interesting civs developers could pull out, like second African civ.

With all this, Al-Andalus looks like a pretty distant possibility.

I wouldn't say Georgia is pop culture. As much as I like its inclusion as a representative of the Caucasus, it only happened because of the Tamar meme. Al-Andalus, or more precisely, Granada, is more pop culture, I'd say.

I would really like to finally have a representative from Islamic Iberia and the East African coast.