pre-release info New Civ Game Guide: Meiji Japan

[agamemnon_of_the-bronze_]

I'm feel that Dreadnought is a contender for GB.

some other posters were saying they are not unique enough to britain in another thread.

 

[Lord Shadow]

I've said it and I'll say it again: Meiji Japan without Mutsuhito is just weird. And he's one so far not featured in Civilization yet. I guess Himiko's controversy and gender won over the obvious choice.

That aside, Battleship Mikasa is an interesting choice. The Zero is a classic, but I'd have considered the great Yamato, for a change. I understand, however, that it'd have been a rather monotonous choice with Mikasa in the picture.

Looking forward to an Edo or Sengoku period Japan in post-launch content, to round it all with the Samurai we know and love. Who knows, maybe proper ninja too.

some other posters were saying they are not unique enough to britain in another thread.

That's weird, considering the whole style of warship was derived explicitly from HMS Dreadnought's design.

 

[Nic@Melbourne]

Yeah it feels like a bonus for doing what you’re going to be doing anyway, but like you said it makes it “feel” better and it is a great thematic reference to the modernization of Japan.

It makes sense for the Meiji project for Japan, fast tracking modernization.
Just find some Civ abilities blah. Seems for a few the gold is in the unique culture tree

 

[Zaarin]

I've said it and I'll say it again: Meiji Japan without Mutsuhito is just weird. And he's one so far not featured in Civilization yet. I guess Himiko's controversy and gender won over the obvious choice.

All civs are leaderless so it's no stranger than having Mughals without Akbar or Mongols without Temujin or Normans without William the Conqueror or Robert I. Also, if I'm not mistaken, depicting the Emperor is taboo in Japan.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

some other posters were saying they are not unique enough to britain in another thread.

Dreadnoughts, or "all big gun" battleships were built by everyone who could physically do it after Britain got theirs in first in 1906.

BUT The Battle Cruiser was a British concept that they nearly monopolized: by my count, from 1906 to 1925 Britain built 16 to Everybody else's 11 (plus 26 that Britain and everybody else planned but never got built between losing WWI and the Washington Naval Limitation Treaty). IF a Modern Age British naval combat unit was desired, it would make a better and more 'British' choice.

 

[Lord Shadow]

All civs are leaderless so it's no stranger than having Mughals without Akbar or Mongols without Temujin or Normans without William the Conqueror or Robert I. Also, if I'm not mistaken, depicting the Emperor is taboo in Japan.

Of course. There's plenty of holes created by the leader-civ decoupling. The hint of the leader-based post-launch business model Civ7 is likely to adopt.

I didn't know that about the Emperor of Japan. Okay, makes sense. Previous Japanese leaders were warlords lacking the Emperor's divinity. And Himiko, well, being a more primitive queen, probably predates such spiritual structures.

 

[ombak]

Of course. There's plenty of holes created by the leader-civ decoupling. The hint of the leader-based post-launch business model Civ7 is likely to adopt.

The first two sets of DLC have only 2 leaders, but 4 civs each, so I don't know that it will be any more leader-based, unless you're assuming they will be the selling points of those DLC? Most of what I've seen in conversations here suggests people think Britain and other big name civs will be the selling point.

 

[j51]

Dreadnoughts, or "all big gun" battleships were built by everyone who could physically do it after Britain got theirs in first in 1906.

BUT The Battle Cruiser was a British concept that they nearly monopolized: by my count, from 1906 to 1925 Britain built 16 to Everybody else's 11 (plus 26 that Britain and everybody else planned but never got built between losing WWI and the Washington Naval Limitation Treaty). IF a Modern Age British naval combat unit was desired, it would make a better and more 'British' choice.

I really want a great engineer/scientist for Britain and a return of the redcoat would be ok IF it’s the late 19th century guys with pith helmets.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I really want a great engineer/scientist for Britain and a return of the redcoat would be ok IF it’s the late 19th century guys with pith helmets.

Red coats and pith helmets would just about be the last redcoats: they converted to 'dust colored', or khaki for the field uniforms in 1902, and after that kept the 'British scarlet' coats only for parade wear (as in, the guards around Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle)
On the other hand, since tthe 'red coat' was official from 1655 to 1902, it would fit for all but the last 3/4 of a century of the Modern Age, whether equipped with muskets or rifles.

 

[Isengardtom]

Great screenshot
Love those cherry blossom trees

 

[marius_kaparius]

I will need a Mishima Zaibatsu mod for this.

 

[Haig]

@Haig what UU do you think GB should get? i was thinking it would be cool if they got some kind of dragoon/grenadier.

I was somehow confident that Britain gets the Spitfire fighter, but now as Meiji got Zero, it's more unlikely.

Boris Gudenof's Battlecruiser would be a super cool looking unit so I would be down for that, but I think now Redcoat is most likely.

 

[AriochIV]

Mikasa is a pre-dreadnought, so she will probably replace the Dreadnought and be available at Combustion.

It makes sense to have unique units represent earlier units so that they are available more of the Age. Having the Zero, which would normally be tier 3, is unusual... it may be that they feel they can do that because Meiji has two UU's, or it may be that they're going to pull a Tercio wobbly and have the Zero available ahistorically early.

I notice that the Dive Bomber in the Himiko video is the same as the American version (which seems to be based on the Dauntless), which is slightly disappointing.

 

[queenpea]

I think that Militaristic, Cultural is more appropriate to the earlier Japanese Ages. Meiji was all about catching up technologically with the West.

What I meant was that I was hoping for more of an inversion of the typical Japanese civ design. Something more about the culture tree than speeding towards zeros. Something less militaristic.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Yeah, I'm a bit leary about the idea of a shiny monocoque all-metal fighter showing up when everyone else has string and balsa-wood biplanes.

 

[Krikkit1]

Yeah, I'm a bit leary about the idea of a shiny monocoque all-metal fighter showing up when everyone else has string and balsa-wood biplanes.

The nice thing is it should perform just like those biplanes (with a little more range and better dogfighting)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

What I meant was that I was hoping for more of an inversion of the typical Japanese civ design. Something more about the culture tree than speeding towards zeros. Something less militaristic.

If any period of Japan wasn't going to be cultural, it would be Meiji.

 

[AriochIV]

What I meant was that I was hoping for more of an inversion of the typical Japanese civ design. Something more about the culture tree than speeding towards zeros. Something less militaristic.

Fourth-Age Japan can be Cultural... with Mangaka Great People. Hayao Miyazaki and Shirow Masamune...

 

[Zaarin]

Fourth-Age Japan can be Cultural... with Mangaka Great People. Hayao Miyazaki and Shirow Masamune...

Japan and Britain can fight of Kazuo Ishiguro. (I jest. He considers himself English.)

 

[ombak]

If we get that kind of fourth age Great Person, I'll guess Brazil gets Great soccer players... and I'll be happy to provide a list of several hundred... though to be fair I'm sure some other fellow Brazilian Civ nerds will be equally capable.