New Civ Game Guide: Mongolia

[AriochIV]

When the narrator in the Leader First Look videos recommends a particular Exploration Age civ for a particular leader, I'm assuming that means that leader unlocks that civ. Because otherwise that would be a pointless recommendation.

But it's possible that I'm giving them too much credit.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

When the narrator in the Leader First Look videos recommends a particular Exploration Age civ for a particular leader, I'm assuming that means that leader unlocks that civ. Because otherwise that would be a pointless recommendation.

But it's possible that I'm giving them too much credit.

Maybe you're right. But Greece>Normans is a historical path anyways, so I'm not completely convinced.

 

[Nikolai II]

When the narrator in the Leader First Look videos recommends a particular Exploration Age civ for a particular leader, I'm assuming that means that leader unlocks that civ. Because otherwise that would be a pointless recommendation.

But it's possible that I'm giving them too much credit.

I think that is a safe bet.

 

[Lord Lakely]

When the narrator in the Leader First Look videos recommends a particular Exploration Age civ for a particular leader, I'm assuming that means that leader unlocks that civ. Because otherwise that would be a pointless recommendation.

But it's possible that I'm giving them too much credit.

In Machiavelli's case, I just think he is playable with Rome and Greece, both of which already transition into the Normans.

I DO NOT believe that he's the third secret option that unlocks the Normans (as shown during the Rome livestream). That spot should be reserved for an English or Norman leader, specifically.

 

[gdr_willter]

I consider each leader will unlock only one civ for maximum. Firstly, we heard the information that Himiko will unlock Meiji Japan in the modern age. And this is more understandable than Meiji and Siam, or Meiji and Ming which unlocked by Himiko at the same time.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

When the narrator in the Leader First Look videos recommends a particular Exploration Age civ for a particular leader, I'm assuming that means that leader unlocks that civ. Because otherwise that would be a pointless recommendation.

But it's possible that I'm giving them too much credit.

I think it's just that: a recommendation. Leaders unlock civs that they directly led or were associated with, not the entire pathway. Hatshepsut won't unlock Songhai if she leads a different civ just because it's unlocked by Egypt. Machiavelli is European, so if you pick a European civ to start, you'll have access to Norman, which has the Diplomatic attribute. Thus, it's a potential unlock that they might recommend for gameplay reasons. That's just my read, though, because working backwards it feels weird to decide Genghis Khan always unlocks Meiji because you can start him with Han, compared to Franklin always getting you America.

 

[AriochIV]

In Machiavelli's case, I just think he is playable with Rome and Greece, both of which already transition into the Normans.

I DO NOT believe that he's the third secret option that unlocks the Normans (as shown during the Rome livestream). That spot should be reserved for an English or Norman leader, specifically.

I'm not aware of any restrictions regarding leaders and Antiquity civilizations.

I think it's just that: a recommendation.

A recommendation is pointless if it's not a regular option. But as I said, I may be giving them too much credit.

Leaders unlock civs that they directly led or were associated with, not the entire pathway. Hatshepsut won't unlock Songhai if she leads a different civ just because it's unlocked by Egypt. Machiavelli is European, so if you pick a European civ to start, you'll have access to Norman, which has the Diplomatic attribute. Thus, it's a potential unlock that they might recommend for gameplay reasons. That's just my read, though, because working backwards it feels weird to decide Genghis Khan always unlocks Meiji because you can start him with Han, compared to Franklin always getting you America.

I don't think we have any clear evidence of what the criteria for leader unlocks are.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I don't think we have any clear evidence of what the criteria for leader unlocks are.

The only one we know of is playing as Amina unlocks Songhai.

 

[Evolena]

A recommendation is pointless if it's not a regular option.

We've seen the Abbasid being recommended for Augustus, yet locked. Recommandation can come from a previous Civ unlock (eg if Augustus was Egypt instead of Rome in Antiquity).

 

[AriochIV]

We've seen the Abbasid being recommended for Augustus, yet locked. Recommandation can come from a previous Civ unlock (eg if Augustus was Egypt instead of Rome in Antiquity).

Where was this? Spain is the only Exploration civ mentioned in the First Look.

Obviously civ-related unlocks have nothing to do with leader unlocks (unless it's a Modern civ unlocked by the leader's Exploration civ unlock... but we haven't got there yet).

 

[gdr_willter]

A recommendation is pointless if it's not a regular option. But as I said, I may be giving them too much credit.

I'm seeing two points.

The Civ revealing videos are short and speachless, so the recommendations in the Leader First Look videos are actually working as hints for the Civ unlocks. Rome toward Spain, Han toward Ming, Persia toward Mongolia, Greece toward Norman, we heard these all from the Leader videos.

And they intentionally mentioned it as the flow of gameplay styles. Expansion and Exploration, Growth and Science, War and Conquest, Diplomacy and Defence, they justified the major Civ routes with definite synergy of the Leader and those Civs.

 

[Evolena]

Where was this? Spain is the only Exploration civ mentioned in the First Look.

Obviously civ-related unlocks have nothing to do with leader unlocks.

Antiquity stream, Exploration age cuv selection screen. Obviously Augustus does not unlock the Abbasid as they were locked, yet the Abbasid had the little Augustus portrait indicating a "historical choice".

 

[Evolena]

I'm seeing two points.

The Civ revealing videos are shorts and speachless, so the recommendations in the Leader revealing videos are actually working as hints for the Civ unlocks. Rome toward Spain, Han toward Ming, Persia toward Mongolia, Greece toward Norman, we heard these all from the Leader videos.

And they intentionally mentioned it as the flow of gameplay styles. Expansion and Exploration, Growth and Science, War and Conquest, Diplomacy and Defence, they justified the major Civ routes with definite synergy of the Leader and those Civs.

That's why on my site to vizualize the links between Leaders and Civs, I don't categorize these links and leave them as "some link". Laybe Leader unlock, maybe historical indicator, maybe nothing (or an unlock link between 2 civs instead).

 

[AriochIV]

Antiquity stream, Exploration age cuv selection screen. Obviously Augustus does not unlock the Abbasid as they were locked, yet the Abbasid had the little Augustus portrait indicating a "historical choice".

How can Abbasids be an Augustus unlock if they were locked? (Little portrait notwithstanding.)

 

[Krikkit1]

How can Abbasids be an Augustus unlock if they were locked? (Little portrait notwithstanding.)

I think there is a few different things

1. Leaders may unlock one or more civs (or no civs)
2. Leaders have a "recommendation" (seen in the Antiquity Stream) that probably either
....matches their gameplay (but does not necessarily lead to an unlock)
or
....it will lead to a civ they would unlock (I could see AI Napoleon favoring Normans because Normans unlock France)
3. There is probably also a list that AI leaders will pick from for each era (affected by their current civ)
4. There is also the "play them as" mentioned in the First Looks, not sure how those are connected to any of the others

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Antiquity stream, Exploration age cuv selection screen. Obviously Augustus does not unlock the Abbasid as they were locked, yet the Abbasid had the little Augustus portrait indicating a "historical choice".

I don't know if I'd put that much faith regarding certain things in that stream, or build. I believe that was the same stream that showed Rome was able to build a Parthenon building, yet we learned later that was actually a unique building to Greece.

 

[gdr_willter]

How can Abbasids be an Augustus unlock if they were locked? (Little portrait notwithstanding.)

Gameplay unlock maybe. We hardly know about notification UI in Civ 7.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

The Ortoo seems insane but I assume it cannot be placed in neutral territory.
So last Tuesday was the Machiavelli's reveal, this week is Mongols' reveal, I assume next Tuesday it will be a leader reveal? Anyone keeps track of the schedule?

 

[AriochIV]

The Ortoo seems insane but I assume it cannot be placed in neutral territory.

As far as I'm aware, unique improvements can only be placed on your own rural districts.

 

[Nikolai II]

As far as I'm aware, unique improvements can only be placed on your own rural districts.

That would be my understanding too.