New Civs [Suggestion/Request]

[blizzrd]

Who else should we add?

 

[mrrandomplayer]

Venice...


Besides Venice, which all of you meanies will never add, the civs left to add at this point are:

On Leoreth's list of priorities (albeit very low) or have been given a maybe by Leo.
Swahili
Polynesia
Boers
Canada (maybe)

Other civ ideas: (unlikely but still good ideas)
Medieval Egypt (Mamluks, rebirth of Egypt)
Sweden (rebirth of Vikings or conditional)
Maratha
Native Americans/Iroquois
Celts
VENICE! (Jk)

So the list of confirmed civs is pretty small (3).

 

[Oregon Lee]

Venice...


Besides Venice, which all of you meanies will never add, the civs left to add at this point are:

On Leoreth's list of priorities (albeit very low) or have been given a maybe by Leo.
Swahili
Polynesia
Boers
Canada (maybe)

Other civ ideas: (unlikely but still good ideas)
Medieval Egypt (Mamluks, rebirth of Egypt)
Sweden (rebirth of Vikings or conditional)
Maratha
Native Americans/Iroquois
Celts
VENICE! (Jk)

So the list of confirmed civs is pretty small (3).

Swahili - Sure? I don't know that much about them.
Polynesia - Why...
Boers - Now we're adding non-humans?!
Oh. Those Boers. Sure?
Canada - Of Course.

Medieval Egypt - I don't see the point. Still Egypt.
Sweden - I guess...
Maratha - Sure, whatever
Native Americans - No.
Celts - NO.
VENICE- Click on this

 

[yurisusuki]

Sealand--> all

 

[giant49er]

How about Oman?

 

[Oregon Lee]

Too small with little imperialistic history or unique UHVs. Little relative impact on the area. Better represented by Arabian civilization or indies.

 

[citis]

Medieval Egypt (Mamluks, rebirth of Egypt):
Proposition about UHV:
UP: The power of slaves in power: No from rushing production.
UU: Mamluk soldier (replaces heavy swordman): +50% against mounted units (bonus against arabians and mongols)
UB: Souq (replaces market): +25% output, +10% output, can turn two citizents to merchants
Spawn on 1250AD if Cairo isn't arabian or if Arabs are shaky or worse.
*Control Egypt, Cyrenaica, Jerusalem, Levant and Mecca by 1400AD (normally 1300AD)
*Make Cairo the city with the most science output in 1400AD (normally 1350AD)
*Do not lose any city until 1900AD

Note that the Mughals were named "Mamluk sultanate" at their beggining according to wikipedia.


Sweden:
Not a viking rebirth after all, I changed my mind. It should be a completely independent civ (so Vikings will become Denmark-Norway at Swedish spawn, not at catholicism convert).
Spawn in 1523 in Stockholm.
UU: swedish cavalry (amphibius invasion). (modeling the arms of Gustav adolph)
UB: Gothic castle: it doesn't become obselete
UP: The power of wood exports: Lumbermills: +2
Proposed goals:
*Swedish empire (control: Sweden, Finland, Warsaw, Saint-Peterbourg, Hambourg, a city in North America, a city in west Africa) by 1721.
*Complete the Nobel Prizes Project by 1895.
*Be the first to adopt the combination Republic, Universal Suffrage, Egalitarianism, Environmentalism, Secularism and (the last military civic) by 1940AD.

It starts with Printing Press. It spawns protestant or catholic if Protestantism isn't founded. Then Swedish will found it.

The Nobel Prizes:
It will be a world project (similar to the Manhatan Project) that requires Scientific method and Chemistry. Effects: +1 per specialist worldwide. I had proposed it as world wonder, but it isn't a building afterall.

 

[Jusos2108]

Here is the Venetian Republic for you all:

from: Tre59

 

[Lew09]

I like the idea about Sweden. However, i would propose to set the first goal more like the italian UHV - control, i'm not sure, let's say 70% of the baltics, mainly because you can't be sure that these cities exist. And maybe the UB is overpowered, but i really like the UU and UP, they represent historical specifics of the swedish empire quite well.

Thinking about it, did the swedish have that much of a cavalry? Maybe a specialized siege unit would be better here, i don't know.

edit: oh, and i think the nobel prize might be too powerful as well. I'd go for settled great persons here.

 

[archcapitalist]

i actually like that sweden idea. much better than a viking respawn. and better than a still united scandanavia in the 20th century.

would also help the vikings to collapse.

i agree with the control so much baltic additional suggestion too.

i like the idea of the nobel prizes as a project, though not the effect. too op. it should be a slight effect if anything. maybe one happy per settled great person.

or to be realistic, one hapy for a civ that is running backwards economics policies or discovery of certain scientific techs

eta: and i hate the third uhv. thats not fun at all

 

[Lew09]

Hm, i think the third UHV is meant to represent the scandinavian model of economy and politics, which is often considered an archetype (integration of the labour movement/socialist governments since the 30s, strong welfare state, cooperation of trade unions and corporations, emphasizing civil rights, neutrality in foreign politics). Now you mention it, citis proposal might not absolutely fit here, Public Welfare/Industrialism for example might be a better choice. But that wouldn't be more fun, i guess.
Maybe a combination of civics, happiness/health and industrial strength would do the trick?

 

[citis]

i like the idea of the nobel prizes as a project, though not the effect. too op. it should be a slight effect if anything. maybe one happy per settled great person.

You are right, I meant per established great person not per specialist.

Hm, i think the third UHV is meant to represent the scandinavian model of economy and politics, which is often considered an archetype (integration of the labour movement/socialist governments since the 30s, strong welfare state, cooperation of trade unions and corporations, emphasizing civil rights, neutrality in foreign politics).

It's exactly that. The scandinabian civics are considered the best in the world.

Maybe a combination of civics, happiness/health and industrial strength would do the trick?

Discovering ecology before 1940 is main the chalenge here. I'll prefer to keep it simple. However, adding "Have no unhappy cities, no unhealthy cities, having no anarchy and being solid in 1940" is pretty good.

 

[citis]

I like the idea about Sweden. However, i would propose to set the first goal more like the italian UHV - control, i'm not sure, let's say 70% of the baltics, mainly because you can't be sure that these cities exist.

It will be in the ottoman 2nd UHC model. You will have to control a city in the plot or in the small ring. For example, instead of Warsaw you can control Krakovia.

And maybe the UB is overpowered,

In wikipedia I saw that most swedish landmarks were castles, but the truth is I have really no idea about the swedish UB. Maybe the best option is to borrow the UB from RFCE.

Thinking about it, did the swedish have that much of a cavalry? Maybe a specialized siege unit would be better here, i don't know.

Gustav Adolf made his campaignes with cavalry. Siege will be used with difficulty, since Sweden will do amphibious invasions.

edit: oh, and i think the nobel prize might be too powerful as well. I'd go for settled great persons here.

It will be a global effect, so you can settle great people in any city you want. Its effect is completely historical.

 

[Lew09]

I'm having problems with the multi-quote, so i'll just answer straight away:
Still, with going for the small ring, the baltics (and pomerania too, i think) would be excluded, which is rather ahistorical.
Adding stability to the third UHV is a very good idea, so i'd take your extended proposal.

I don't know RFCE very well, just tried some time ago, so i don't know the swedish UB. Can't think of anything else right now, though.

 

[Leoreth]

If I ever made a Swedish UHV, I would indeed take cues from the Ottoman UHV, but mostly the other part. Culture controlling the whole coast of the Baltic Sea seems both historically appropriate and elegant.

 

[Lew09]

you would...

 

[merijn_v1]

In wikipedia I saw that most swedish landmarks were castles, but the truth is I have really no idea about the swedish UB. Maybe the best option is to borrow the UB from RFCE.

In RFCE, the Soldier Tennant is their UB. But I don't know if it is a good one for DoC. It has nothing good that it could replace. Ofcourse, it can replace the Barracks, which is obvious. But then, you can't build it as they are preplaced.

I considered this in my 2nd UB modcomp. (I tried to represent Sweden by making the Viking 2nd UU and 2nd UB Swedish)

The Riksbank is the UB you most often see as the Swedish UB. I use it in my 2nd UB modcomp.

Gustav Adolf made his campaignes with cavalry. Siege will be used with difficulty, since Sweden will do amphibious invasions.

True, but those Cavalry were actually Finnish. (That doesn't mean they won't fit as UU) IMO, a better UU is the Karolin. (In RFCE, the Karolin is used as the UU. My modcomp uses it too)

 

[Lew09]

For me, the Karolin also sounds like an alternative UP:
Karolin: no (or less?) unhappiness from conscription

 

[KeeperOT7Keys]

I don't like amphibious cavalry idea actually, ai won't use it effective, may be a cavalry with more strength 18? would be better. and lumbermill idea is useless if you don't play a 1700 map vikings will chop them, castle is a good idea imo
and for nobel prizes, may be it should give a bonus relationship with a random ai player, around every 5 turn, ''peace prize''? additional to the happines effect

 

[citis]

I don't like amphibious cavalry idea actually, ai won't use it effective, may be a cavalry with more strength 18? would be better. and lumbermill idea is useless if you don't play a 1700 map vikings will chop them, castle is a good idea imo
and for nobel prizes, may be it should give a bonus relationship with a random ai player, around every 5 turn, ''peace prize''? additional to the happines effect

AI can't use effectively any unit. The only solution should be some scripted "teleportation" of AI units in batlics and Denmark.
There is tundra, so vikings won't chop all forests. Moreover, there will be some forests in Finland, Sankt-Peterburg and in America.