Abaddon
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You could always to a RTOR with jus a little bit more effort into updating?
New NESes, ideas, development, etc
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Daftpanzer
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Throwing in more ideas, this time aimed at ATX2. Mixing in ideas from basically all my stuffs, including the NESlife gene/trait system. The idea is to give players a specific set of actions, so the updates can basically be a specific set of results, almost like in Risk or Diplomacy games. Any further interpretation is left to the players.
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I suppose it would be the polite thing for me to actually comment on other people's postings here. I will try to do that once I've read them thoroughly
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I suppose it would be the polite thing for me to actually comment on other people's postings here. I will try to do that once I've read them thoroughly
Neverwonagame3
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Throwing in more ideas, this time aimed at ATX2. Mixing in ideas from basically all my stuffs, including the NESlife gene/trait system. The idea is to give players a specific set of actions, so the updates can basically be a specific set of results, almost like in Risk or Diplomacy games. Any further interpretation is left to the players.
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I suppose it would be the polite thing for me to actually comment on other people's postings here. I will try to do that once I've read them thoroughly
I like it, but have a question. Once a player has chosen an action, how much input do they have over the details?
Throwing in more ideas, this time aimed at ATX2. Mixing in ideas from basically all my stuffs, including the NESlife gene/trait system. The idea is to give players a specific set of actions, so the updates can basically be a specific set of results, almost like in Risk or Diplomacy games. Any further interpretation is left to the players.
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Actions
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I suppose it would be the polite thing for me to actually comment on other people's postings here. I will try to do that once I've read them thoroughly
Awesome. I would love to see some industrial or modern age versions. I have a thinking this rule set could be adapted very well towards a Early Colonial to Napoleonic times very well.
Also could please elaborate on your culture stat. Specifically the meanings of the "techs" given you don't have research yet. Also how would cultural groupings (Like Northern European) effect economy and how do luxuries and goods play into this?
Daftpanzer
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Thanks, I think I really should start offering my opinion of other's ideas now (not that my opinion is necessarily worth much )
The idea is you'd just choose and action and a target for that action. The whole orders could be 5 or 6 lines. Players could add more background if they want but it wouldn't be necessary.
Well, hmm, good questions I guess it would be like NESlife, where the genes are first about survival and then about comparing/competing with similar lifeforms. The traits/techs affect how much food/goods etc you make and how you'd perform against other civs in any conflict of military/religion/culture etc.
I imagined having certain trade/economy zones where culture/religion traits would be passed around much easier. They'd have one or two main eco centres, and would have other effects depending on the total demands(-) and exports (+) of countries there.
If your country had lots of minuses for food, goods and luxuries etc then it would never have much wealth, people would be unhappy, the military will be weaker, progress in all areas would slow, etc etc.
Luxuries aren't essential as food or goods, but would help happiness/stability and make it more likely for people to want to gather in cities in the first place (in theory).
)The idea is you'd just choose and action and a target for that action. The whole orders could be 5 or 6 lines. Players could add more background if they want but it wouldn't be necessary.
bombshoo said:
Well, hmm, good questions
I guess it would be like NESlife, where the genes are first about survival and then about comparing/competing with similar lifeforms. The traits/techs affect how much food/goods etc you make and how you'd perform against other civs in any conflict of military/religion/culture etc.I imagined having certain trade/economy zones where culture/religion traits would be passed around much easier. They'd have one or two main eco centres, and would have other effects depending on the total demands(-) and exports (+) of countries there.
If your country had lots of minuses for food, goods and luxuries etc then it would never have much wealth, people would be unhappy, the military will be weaker, progress in all areas would slow, etc etc.
Luxuries aren't essential as food or goods, but would help happiness/stability and make it more likely for people to want to gather in cities in the first place (in theory).
Neverwonagame3
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I don't like it, but I'll play it. When does it start?
Symphony D.
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Retroactive deletion.
Neverwonagame3
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Now I think about it, while I'm not sure about it hearing Symphony D say that is enough for me to trust it as true.
Terrance888
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I have a great and funny Idea. Will come back to you: hehehe.
Ninja Dude
Sorry, I wasn't listening...
I'd first like to say that my computer is fixed, which is awesome. Secondly, I won't just give p on Clash of Gods. If this NES fails, I'll go back to Clash of Gods, although I may change the rules and it may go through a BT.
What I'm thinking of is an NES that will have many of the good traits Clash of Gods had, while getting rid of the bad ones.
Firstly, Clash of Gods has a huge problem when it comes to power and what one could do. Being gods, this was complicated to limit. However,in this little idea of mine, people will be limited to prophets, avatars, and other religious leaders. These beings will be able to preform what we call "magic", but there will be a limit to what you can do. For example, say Prophet Mikilesh wishes to wow a city into worshiping him and his god. He wants to dazzle the desert city, so he makes a thunderstorm appear on command. This action would take a ton of effort, and leave Mikilesh drained and tired. He would be extremely vulnerable to any attack by potential enemies. This would be represented in a Stamina stat, showing how much your prophet could do within an update.
A second issue was the map. While it looked pretty cool, things got a little bit tricky when other players began to create certain landmarks. And other players often edited maps themselves in an effort to help me. While I know no one ment harm, this created problems, such as mountain hight and realm size, With this NES, there are going to be defined continents, countries, climates, everything. Your prophet won't do any drastic climate changes or change the shape of a continent. However, he may change the political situation of an area. There will be many cities placed throughout the world, and the map will look similar to a Northern Style map.
Thirdly, things were a little bit insane in Clash of Gods when it came to goals. Some things the players came up with confused even me, and I wasn't positive that certain things players planned were possible. With this NES, things will be set in stone: You are a prophet who wants to convert as many people as he can to his religion. Even if your religion states that the end of the world is to come for some reason, or your religion says that the world should be destroyed, it won't happen.
Also on my mind, is the possiblity of a magic NES with countries in stead of gods and prophets. It would be a nice change for me, and I believe I could manage it better than the other NESes. Countries would have similar stats to the ones in End of Empires, but it will have some changes. An example:
Rignj/somebody
Religion: Animism, Rithilu-Influenced Ceiipo
Governemnt: Monarchy
Culture: Ilyj, Strong
Income: 300 Kigig
Military: 200 Militia, 5 Great Bears (Upkeep: 40 + 250 = 290)
Manpower: 1,000
Magical Manpower: 20
Description: After the collapse of the Meijung Empire, the old Rignj barbarians have begun to carve out their own kingdom in the north. Their shamans have once again begun to great Bears, laying waste to northern settlements. Only time will tell if this northern menace will continue south into the rich lands of Peshan.
Magical Manpower will represent the amount of potential magicians/ magic-related people you could recruit. Unlike regular manpower, recruiting more magicians than your Magical Manpower will not result in a negative impact on ones economy. Instead, you will get over-all less effective magic units. More rules on magic will be worked out as time goes by and different cultures begin to develop uses for it. The other stats will basically stay the same, as well as the idea of the different types of centers.
So, any constructive critisism?
What I'm thinking of is an NES that will have many of the good traits Clash of Gods had, while getting rid of the bad ones.
Firstly, Clash of Gods has a huge problem when it comes to power and what one could do. Being gods, this was complicated to limit. However,in this little idea of mine, people will be limited to prophets, avatars, and other religious leaders. These beings will be able to preform what we call "magic", but there will be a limit to what you can do. For example, say Prophet Mikilesh wishes to wow a city into worshiping him and his god. He wants to dazzle the desert city, so he makes a thunderstorm appear on command. This action would take a ton of effort, and leave Mikilesh drained and tired. He would be extremely vulnerable to any attack by potential enemies. This would be represented in a Stamina stat, showing how much your prophet could do within an update.
A second issue was the map. While it looked pretty cool, things got a little bit tricky when other players began to create certain landmarks. And other players often edited maps themselves in an effort to help me. While I know no one ment harm, this created problems, such as mountain hight and realm size, With this NES, there are going to be defined continents, countries, climates, everything. Your prophet won't do any drastic climate changes or change the shape of a continent. However, he may change the political situation of an area. There will be many cities placed throughout the world, and the map will look similar to a Northern Style map.
Thirdly, things were a little bit insane in Clash of Gods when it came to goals. Some things the players came up with confused even me, and I wasn't positive that certain things players planned were possible. With this NES, things will be set in stone: You are a prophet who wants to convert as many people as he can to his religion. Even if your religion states that the end of the world is to come for some reason, or your religion says that the world should be destroyed, it won't happen.
Also on my mind, is the possiblity of a magic NES with countries in stead of gods and prophets. It would be a nice change for me, and I believe I could manage it better than the other NESes. Countries would have similar stats to the ones in End of Empires, but it will have some changes. An example:
Rignj/somebody
Religion: Animism, Rithilu-Influenced Ceiipo
Governemnt: Monarchy
Culture: Ilyj, Strong
Income: 300 Kigig
Military: 200 Militia, 5 Great Bears (Upkeep: 40 + 250 = 290)
Manpower: 1,000
Magical Manpower: 20
Description: After the collapse of the Meijung Empire, the old Rignj barbarians have begun to carve out their own kingdom in the north. Their shamans have once again begun to great Bears, laying waste to northern settlements. Only time will tell if this northern menace will continue south into the rich lands of Peshan.
Magical Manpower will represent the amount of potential magicians/ magic-related people you could recruit. Unlike regular manpower, recruiting more magicians than your Magical Manpower will not result in a negative impact on ones economy. Instead, you will get over-all less effective magic units. More rules on magic will be worked out as time goes by and different cultures begin to develop uses for it. The other stats will basically stay the same, as well as the idea of the different types of centers.
So, any constructive critisism?
Terrance888
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I would like a God/Nation NES with a few gods, up to 5 maybe and lots of nations. Gods give stuff to faithful and goals.
Here, I present SEALAND! I used a northern map and reversed land with water and a few other cosmetic changes. Not finished but just to show you guys!
Here, I present SEALAND! I used a northern map and reversed land with water and a few other cosmetic changes. Not finished but just to show you guys!
Neverwonagame3
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I'd play it.
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You'd wreck play any game that would let you, so that's no surprise.
Unfortunately, I’ll have to go with Shadow on this one.
Ok Charles:
First of all, WTH? That’s an ideal map for sea gods, but a bit more land, especially in the Southern void, would be nice.
Second, download firefox
Third, if you want to update, do the entire update on MS word if you have it or the Mac programs.
And fourth, if you go through with this idea, what’ll you model your ruleset off of?
Ok Charles:
First of all, WTH? That’s an ideal map for sea gods, but a bit more land, especially in the Southern void, would be nice.
Second, download firefox
Third, if you want to update, do the entire update on MS word if you have it or the Mac programs.
And fourth, if you go through with this idea, what’ll you model your ruleset off of?
Terrance888
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This is just a map I made after I noticed how awesome if we made the Med Sea into a Fantasy continents map. It snowballed and here we are!
I was going to add another few continants, large archiplegos and make the borders smaller but my simplest possible paint program makes it more than impossibe. (I don't even have good spraypaint! Only huge spray. >.< And any attempt at words without word editing possible is EPIC FAIL. Finally, my computer is 100% anti-download, but uploading is OK.)
I was going to add another few continants, large archiplegos and make the borders smaller but my simplest possible paint program makes it more than impossibe. (I don't even have good spraypaint! Only huge spray. >.< And any attempt at words without word editing possible is EPIC FAIL. Finally, my computer is 100% anti-download, but uploading is OK.)
Daftpanzer
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Abaddon said:Comments greatly desired
@Abaddon, with regards to population, will there be some natural pop growth during peaceful times? Or is it all tied to #towns on the map? IMO there should be an element of choosing whether to devote people to war or to peaceful pursuits. If there are going to be small populations in general, it seems like raising more troops (or at least having lots of troops killed in battle) should lower your population too, and/or cause towns to be abandoned or something.
Lord_Iggy said:
@Iggy and NWAG, thanks, I plan to try a new alternate timeline thing once I finish the current one, in two or three more eras, which could take a few months at this rate. I also plan to run NEB2 but actually something smaller and faster rather, like on a space station vs aliens, instead of a big map nations vs nations, which might be NEB3. And some NESlife3 updates this year. And DaftNES is still on hold, for which I have the excuse of needing to learn more about industrial things in general.
Symphony D. said:
@Symph that’s the most frightening thing I've ever read. I can only assume your message is part of a plan to destroy me utterly.
I think people have the same ideas as me, I just don't think things through far enough to realise they won’t actually work so well in practice
Ninja Dude said:
@Ninja Dude if you do a new God NES, I think players should be allowed to alter the land somehow. Maybe I'm biased by playing old PC games like Populous, but I'd want to be able to raise islands or sink my enemies into the sea
Maybe it could be limited to very small map edits which you do yourself?Also, glad to hear your PC is cured of pr0n-transmitted diseases
Charles Li said:
@Charles that looks interesting, took me a few seconds to figure out it was just water and land reversed
(I wonder has anyone ever tried a NES on a full world map with a sea/land flip like that?)
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Aww. I'd still support a nation vs. nation NEB2. You should at least post a development thread/poll after NEB1 is complete.
And yeah...go go Antalya. DaftNES will rise again.
And yeah...go go Antalya. DaftNES will rise again.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Holy crap, it was a reverse! Never noticed that!
When I first saw it I wondered who let Insane Panda in here.
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