Nicolas Maduro Wins Venezuelan Presidency in Close Race

Time to bump my own thread again with some more truth squad action:

Check this out from Venezuela Analysis:

Venezuela’s Electoral Council Approves Audit of 100 Percent of Votes

By Chris Carlson

Maracaibo, April 18th, 2013 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – Venezuela’s National Electoral Council (CNE) announced Thursday that it would carry out an audit of 100 percent of the votes in last Sunday’s presidential elections.

CNE President Tibisay Lucena made the announcement in a nationwide broadcast this evening, after the Capriles campaign formally submitted a request for a full recount on Wednesday.

A random audit of 54 percent of the votes is routinely conducted immediately after the polls close on election day, and was done without any discrepancies on Sunday evening.

However, opposition leaders have refused to recognize the official results, and demanded a full recount of 100 percent of the votes.

Protests erupted around the country demanding a recount after Capriles refused to recognize the outcome, and resulted in various deaths and dozens wounded. Yet the Capriles campaign did not formally request a recount as stipulated by law until yesterday evening.

The CNE’s decision will not be a full recount of the votes as the opposition has demanded, but rather an audit of the remaining 46 percent of the votes that were not audited on the night of the elections.

“We will select a sample that will be audited for 10 days and a report of the results will be emitted. This procedure will be repeated every 10 days for 30 days in the presence of witnesses from both camps,” said Lucena.

Lucena said that 400 ballot boxes would be audited per day, and that the start date of the audit process will be announced next week.

Opposition leader Henrique Capriles immediately responded by accepting the CNE decision, and claimed that the full audit would reveal the elections were fraudulent.


Here we go again. First, all of the opposition signed off on the tallies at each voting station, then when Capriles loses, they cry "fraud.". Now, guess what's next?


Capriles withdraws support for an audit!, also from Venezuelanalysis:

Venezuelan Opposition Leader Capriles Withdraws Support for Electoral Audit
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14 April presidential elections result dispute
Henrique Capriles
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Mérida, 26thApril 2013 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – After striking a deal with the National Electoral Council for an audit of the April 14 elections last week, yesterday opposition leader Henrique Capriles called for a boycott of the process. He then vowed to contest the results in Venezuela's Supreme Court.

Reiterating his demands for a total audit of just under 15 million fingerprints and signatures, Capriles then told media that “if we don't have access to the registers, we are not going to participate”.
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While stating that he does not expect “the Supreme Court to give us a favourable reply”, Capriles said that would go “go through all the legal procedures”.

He then called for opposition supporters to protest on 1 May, a move criticised by the government.

Today, Bolivarian Socialist Workers' Central General Coordinator Carlos Lopez told media that over half a million Chavistas are expected to march on May Day, and expressed fears that the opposition intends to create violence.

An investigation into Capriles' role in a wave of violence involving opposition protesters following the 14 April elections is already under way, and Prisons Minister Iris Varela has publicly stated “we are preparing a cell for you [Capriles] because you must pay for your crimes”.

Opposition protests resumed on Wednesday night, after a televised government announcement interrupted a live interview with Capriles on Globovision.

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What I understand is that he states that without the fingerprint records alongside the voter signatures, the audit process won't be transparent, which is kind of obvious since the fingerprints and signatures are proof that the votes casted are legitimate. ¿how is the Government going to prove the votes are legitimate without the fingerprints?

From CNN Español (Translated with Google Translate): Link

12:54 p.m. ET
Venezuela's National Electoral Council will audit, but without the demands of Capriles
(CNN Spanish) - The Venezuela's National Electoral Council (CNE) announced that as of May 6 will perform an audit to recent presidential elections.
It will be verified a sample of 46% of the polling stations.
The CNE will not include the demands of opposition candidate Henrique Carpiles that the audit review the electoral rolls at the firms appearing beside voters fingerprinted.
There, according Capriles, irregularities would have given victory to Nicolas Maduro.
 
Another article from CNN en Español: Link


6:37 PM ET
Opposition in Venezuela claim persecution after voting audit request
(CNN Spanish) - Venezuela's opposition says they are being subjected to persecution since Henrique Capriles asked each count of the votes cast in the presidential election on April 14.
Following the announcement of the National Electoral Council that these requirements will not be taken into account in the audit of the vote , one of the first to react was Capriles, governor of Miranda state, who said via Twitter that Tibisay Lucena, president of the CNE, receives orders of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela.

According to Capriles, an audit without an exhaustive review of the voter is "chimba" (Meaning it would'nt make a difference).
Similarly, Ismael Garcia, deputy of the Democratic Unity Table, said there is a political persecution against opposition bloc, that at least 23 opposition leaders have been banned from leaving the country and could be victims of some other type of "state measure" against them.
"We are asking for the voter books because there are more than 600,000 people dead who are active on record and we do not know if they voted and because there are more than 250,000 people so far detected as having double ID's voting in various polling stations," said the deputy.
On behalf of the PSUV, Congressman Freddy Bernal said Capriles seeks to "delegitimize the state."

Looks like the autocratic measures from Maduro will only increase. Apologies if there are grammar mistakes in the articles, they were translated on the fly from Spanish.
 
Why was this election so close, when Maduro was ahead by double digits in the polls?

Check this out from The Nation:

There are many interesting things to be said about this election, one being that it really wasn’t a fight over ideology. Maduro, who had been directly named by Chávez as his preferred replacement, ran as the Chavista candidate. But in a way so did Capriles, who pledged to be a better administrator of the society Chávez left behind.

Already during his previous campaign, Capriles drew sharp criticism from Venezuela’s oligarch irreconcilables for basically running as a third-world socialist. He repeatedly compared himself to Brazil’s leftist president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, saying that he would keep in place all of Chávez’s social missions, which deliver health care, education, housing, childcare and other services to the urban and rural poor. Capriles, who in 2002 supported the failed US-backed coup against Chávez, even announced that he was a “Bolivarian,” an act that just a few years earlier would have been as unthinkable as Dick Cheney declaring himself a member of Code Pink.

During this election, Capriles went even further. He named his campaign team after Simón Bolívar and said he would not only defend the misiones but create new ones. He promised to dramatically increase salaries and pensions and began to work phrases associated with Chávez into his speeches, even copying symbols of the Bolivarian Revolution into his campaign paraphernalia. In other words, the close results of the election can’t be interpreted as a rejection of Chavismo, since Capriles ran promising to consolidate the gains of Chavismo, saying that he, and not Maduro, was be a better executor of Chávez’s legacy.

Had he won, Capriles undoubtedly would have quickly reverted to his earlier coup-supporting incarnation and began the dismantling—or at least try to. But the genie let loose by the Bolivarian Revolution won’t be easily put back in the bottle. Over the course of the last fourteen years, Chávez presided over both a radical expansion of the public debate—including redefining democracy to mean social democracy—and a radical expansion of who has access to that debate. He helped set in motion a process by which millions of people who had been formally excluded from political decision-making today think of themselves as protagonists, including thousands, perhaps upward of a million, of Colombian migrants, many of them domestic workers and laborers, who were brought out of the shadows by an immigration reform that the US would do well to imitate. That Capriles’ only ticket into Venezuela’s political arena was to accept this new reality suggests that, whatever the future may hold, the winner of last week’s election was Chávez himself.

More than this, the fact that so many Venezuelans seemingly made a conscious, considered decision to switch their votes confirms what supporters of Venezuelan democracy have been saying for years: people voted for Chávez because they wanted to vote for Chávez, not because they were gulled, duped, bribed or intimidated into doing so.

That said, what happened? Maduro was expected to win handily, by about the same percentage Chávez did in October. There aren’t reliable exit polls that might provide a sense of voter motivation, but, as I have written earlier in The Nation, Chávez’s electoral support largely fell into two broad constituencies. The first included Venezuelans involved in social movements—the vibrant organizations George Ciccariello-Maher writes about in his terrific new book, We Created Chávez: A People’s History of the Venezuelan Revolution—whose activism makes Venezuela one of the most democratic countries in the world. The second was made up of unorganized voters, many from the middle class, who didn’t necessarily think they were building twenty-first century socialism but believed, all things considered, that their lives were better as a result of Chávez’s redistributive policies. My guess is that it is this second group, concerned with crime, violence and corruption that, unimpressed with Maduro, swung to Capriles.
 
We just witnessed the death of Venezuelan democracy.

Assembly president Cabello began by not allowing any opposition deputy to speak, so the opposition deputies began a pacifist protest by blowing horns during the procession. Chavista deputies alongside their thug bodyguards then proceeded in beating up 7 opposition deputies. In the background, Diosdado Cabello continued passing legislature left and right that the opposition opposed while those same deputies were being beaten up.

The opposition deputies have since been banned from the National Assembly.





Here is a video of it all happening:

http://globovision.com/articulo/exc...e-ocurrio-en-la-asamblea-nacional-este-martes


This is the final straw imo. May 1st is supposed to be the date of a huge Capriles organized protest, and what happened today is going to enrage the people.
 
Damn cowards! now they're beating up women too? :mad: I think Venezuelan democracy has been dead for much longer, it just became official with the recent events...
 
This is not new. It's a video of a fight deliberately engineered by the opposition, two months ago, as part of a strategy to plunge the country into a civil war. They knew they were violating the rules of the Assembly and would be forcefully removed if they kept impeding the work. They wanted that, and furthermore they wanted to resist eviction and have something to show for it.

Caballero lost in the ballot box and is still trying to cause the collapse of the country and get power by force. Play Venezuela as if it were another Chile, 1974. It's not. The media working for Caballero is just milking the old incident anew for their next attempt, tomorrow.

Edit:
TheLastOne36, when are we going to see any evidence of the alleged "fraud" in the election? It Caballero taking any rabbit out of his hat tomorrow, or is he just republishing weeks old videos of his people trying (and failing) to prevent the national assembly from working?
 
Damn cowards! now they're beating up women too? :mad: I think Venezuelan democracy has been dead for much longer, it just became official with the recent events...
Is that right?

Venezuelan lawmakers hurt during punch-up in parliament

"We knew the opposition came to provoke violence," Maduro said of the incident. "This must not be repeated."

Government parliamentarian Odalis Monzon said she and some colleagues were attacked and beaten. "Today again I had to defend the commander's (Chavez's) legacy," she said.

Both sides accused each other of starting the incident, which took place behind closed doors without media present.
 
The first two quotes come from government sources who obviously want to make themselves look innocent, and the third is entirely untrue considering this
 
That "obviously" wasn't a media video camera. Nor does it show who started the hostilities or why.
 
Really. This is not journalism. Repeating the same videos and showing more torture porn videos is hardly making an argument in favor of the opposition.
 
So in the absence of confirmed voter/election fraud, what we have here is a sore loser and a bad winner.
Really don't know which is worse. I mean, did we really expect good behavior from a Chavista? But based on what I had read of Capriles he seemed like a pretty decent guy and overall I liked him but dragging this out is lowering my opinion of him. Capriles lost, he should accept that and stop acting as an excuse for Maduro and other Chavistas bad behavior. (Still like him more than Maduro though.)
 
This is not new. It's a video of a fight deliberately engineered by the opposition, two months ago, as part of a strategy to plunge the country into a civil war. They knew they were violating the rules of the Assembly and would be forcefully removed if they kept impeding the work. They wanted that, and furthermore they wanted to resist eviction and have something to show for it.

Caballero lost in the ballot box and is still trying to cause the collapse of the country and get power by force. Play Venezuela as if it were another Chile, 1974. It's not. The media working for Caballero is just milking the old incident anew for their next attempt, tomorrow.

Edit:
TheLastOne36, when are we going to see any evidence of the alleged "fraud" in the election? It Caballero taking any rabbit out of his hat tomorrow, or is he just republishing weeks old videos of his people trying (and failing) to prevent the national assembly from working?
Never imagined you to be one for conspiracy theories. His name is Capriles by the way.


Ask the government. They refuse to recount the votes. All we know is that at 8pm CNE showed Capriles winning most of the provinces (hence why the opposition was already celebrating) and that we had to wait several hours after all the votes were counted for them to announce Maduro as winner at 11:45pm.

If you are referring to Capriles' binder full of individual frauds, I can look for the interview tomorrow. It's not damning evidence, but the point is that there was enough fraudulent activity taking place to justify recounting the votes considering how close the election results were. Surely that is reasonable, so why is CNE refusing to do a recount, and trying desperately to cover all their tracks?

And this doesn't excuse any of the Maduro regime's actions since the election.


Maduro came around in a rueda de prensa with a bunch of Chavista deputies saying that the opposition started the fight and that the Chavistas were the victims, and that the opposition are bloody thirsty violent intolerant thugs. It was a cringe-fest all round.

All images and videos from today seem to point to the opposite. Admittedly the opposition deputies provoked this with their horn and whistle blowing, but as they argue, that was a pacifist protest at not being allowed to speak in parliament. Imagine if Joe Biden said that the Republicans weren't allowed to speak in the Senate? How can you defend that? Let alone actual physical violence against elected government officials, within a governmental building in session. Let's not even get into the fact that Cabello (Assembly President and #1 douche in the country) was passing legislature while his deputies were being beaten up in front of him.
 
That "obviously" wasn't a media video camera. Nor does it show who started the hostilities or why.

From your own article:

One assembly worker, who asked not to be named, told Reuters the trouble began when opposition legislators shouted "fascist" at the National Assembly leader and unfolded a protest banner reading "parliamentary coup."

Government parliamentarians attacked them. Laptops and tables were hurled in the ensuing melee, with one legislator hit over the head with a chair, the witness said.

It seems like the Chavistas turned violent after the opposition protest.
 
Never imagined you to be one for conspiracy theories. His name is Capriles by the way.

I was mistaken on one point: I meant to say that the video was two weeks old (not months, obviously), from the post-election disputes, but it appears that it is indeed more recent. So Capriles seems to be clinging to the strategy of increasing tensions. Too bad, nothing good can come out of that.

If you are referring to Capriles' binder full of individual frauds, I can look for the interview tomorrow. It's not damning evidence, but the point is that there was enough fraudulent activity taking place to justify recounting the votes considering how close the election results were. Surely that is reasonable, so why is CNE refusing to do a recount, and trying desperately to cover all their tracks?

You know I am totally against any automated voting systems. And my main objection is exactly because of this: no matter what the level of auditing available, it becomes impossible to disprove in the eyes of the public (or at least of those who support the loser) complaints of tampering unless all votes are counted manually and the full process witnessed and signed off by representatives of all candidates. It appears that Venezuela does this only for 49% of the cast ballots on each precinct. So for the sake of halving the time needed to know the result, the kind of ironclad trust in the result that prevents post-electoral disputes is thrown away. Stupid, stupid!

Recounting the votes now, or indeed any time after the day of the elections, wouldn't put an end to those complaints. The next logical step will be complaining that during the time interval in which witnesses have not been available to monitor the stored votes some votes were added/removed/changed/whatever. Even if the votes have some kind of hash or serial number to authenticate and sequence them, technical evaluation of the process is beyond the ability and/or will of many people. Only a simple to understand process fully under watch from witnesses of all candidate lists is impossible to dispute.

Did the 49% hand-counted votes show a statistically different result from the official results or not? Capriles must have the full results of that count because he had witnesses on every voting station.

It the result was different then by all means demand a full count. If it was not then a full recount won't change anything unless either:
1) some bad procedure or statistically bizarre (but possible) variation makes those 49% of the votes unrepresentative of the whole;
OR
1) the process through which 49% of the votes were separated and counted under watch from witnesses had been somehow subverted in the first place despite the witnesses in place.

If the issue is mere statistics and a desire by the loser of wanting a "second chance" through the full count, though luck. That was an issue to raise about the election procedures before the election, not after.

If the issue is one of wrong or subverted counting process in the first place, evidence is the only thing that can settle this. Led those witnesses who refused to sign the original manual counts come forward and present their charges clearly. If there are any.

The smart thing to do is to never have any automated component to an election in the first place. And to make sure that every step of the process is witnesses and audited by representatives of all candidates who are able to fully understand and verify it, and sign and publish a report on it in the end. American countries have a very stupid, very dangerous, infatuation with automating elections. Hopefully messes like this one will make some people think again about it.
 
It seems like the Chavistas turned violent after the opposition protest.
You mean it "seems" like violence broke out after the opposition tried to deliberately provoke it. And it quickly escalated to the point where a female "Chavista" supporter was even beaten by "damn cowards".
 
All of Capriles' people signed off on the tallies. Is it that his own people sabotaged him. Prove me wrong. Also, if you look at my earlier post that citedThe Nation Capriles ran as the better Chavista, ergo the deep divide the opposition was claiming is also dubious.
 
You mean it "seems" like violence broke out after the opposition tried to deliberately provoke it. And it quickly escalated to the point where a female "Chavista" supporter was even beaten by "damn cowards".

Sure, if you call peaceful protest provocation, but nothing justifies beating up your fellow parliamentarians, even if they're from the opposition. And how come we haven't seen any pictures or evidence of PSUV parliamentarians being beaten, other than some vague statements so far?
 
You mean it "seems" like violence broke out after the opposition tried to deliberately provoke it. And it quickly escalated to the point where a female "Chavista" supporter was even beaten by "damn cowards".

I guess she shouldn't have been showing so much cleavage, she was obviously asking for it right Forma?
 
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