None Dare Call it Christian Terrorism

[Formaldehyde]

White supremacist should die for three Kansas murders, prosecutor argues

A prosecutor urged a jury on Tuesday to give a Missouri white supremacist he called a "remorseless killer" a death sentence for murdering three people, including a boy, he thought were Jewish outside two Jewish centers in Kansas last year.

Frazier Glenn Cross, 74, was convicted Monday of capital murder for the April 2014 shooting spree that left a man and his grandson dead in a Jewish community center parking lot along with a woman visiting a nearby retirement home.

Cross, a former senior member of the Ku Klux Klan, said during his trial that he wanted to kill as many Jews as possible because he believes they are destroying the white gentile race. He said he did not learn until later that none of his victims were Jewish.

His sentencing phase began on Tuesday with prosecutors seeking to convince jurors the murders he committed were especially heinous.

"He was a proud and remorseless killer who only regrets he did not kill more people," Chief Deputy Johnson County District Attorney Chris McMullin told jurors.

Cross, also known as Glenn Miller, spurned appointed attorneys and represented himself at trial. He told jurors he did not regret committing murder.

"It was righteous, it was honorable, it was moral," Cross told jurors in his opening statement, speaking from a wheelchair he uses due to lung disease.

Cross was found guilty on Monday of killing high school student Reat Underwood, 14, and Underwood's grandfather, 69-year-old William Corporon, outside the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City, as well as Terri LaManno, 53, outside a Jewish retirement home. Both are in Overland Park, Kansas.

He was also found guilty of attempted murder for shooting at three other people.

On Tuesday, Cross showed the jury what he said would be the first in a series of videos that reflect his views about Jews.

Prosecutors called only one witness on Tuesday - a detective who testified to documents showing that a musical talent competition was being held at the community center for teenagers on the day of the shootings. Corporon had driven Underwood there to participate in the event.

In laying the ground work for a death sentence, McMullin said the murders were "heinous, cruel and atrocious," were done with premeditation and involved multiple innocent victims.

But Cross said he should receive life without parole, citing several factors, including his age and poor health.

How many people have even heard about this case?

Why haven't CNN and the other cable news channels been covering this with 24/7 talking heads for days on end, as they would have if this had been a Muslim man who committed these heinous acts?

Why aren't many similar hate crimes committed by those other than Muslims labeled as being acts of terror?

 

[bhavv]

By the sound of it, it must be a made up fairy tale as otherwise it surely would have already has loads of media coverage.

But I suppose when hwite people kill other hwite people, no1 currs.

 

[Tigranes]

I find the title of this thread offensive, misleading and simply inaccurate. Christ was born from Jewish woman, what kind of trolling is it to equate antisemitism and whiteness with Christianity?

What makes matter worse -- OP has absolutely nothing to even support the title. Not a single mentioning of Christianity in OP, in any connotations.

 

[warpus]

How many people have even heard about this case?

I would guess 25 million people or so. Margin of error very large. Just throwing that out there as the first guess. I figure it's going to be some %age of all Americans that's not awfully high but not awfully low, and then a bunch of foreigners like me, who happened to have read about it on the internet. So who knows, a bunch of people, let's say 25 million.

Why haven't CNN and the other cable news channels been covering this with 24/7 talking heads for days on end, as they would have if this had been a Muslim man who committed these heinous acts?

Wouldn't sell nearly as well, you don't attract attention in America by announcing that a white guy shot something up - that happens virtually every day. You want terrorists blowing stuff up, that's what sells and brings people to your show.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I find the title of this thread offensive, misleading and simply inaccurate. Christ was born from Jewish woman, what kind of trolling is it to equate antisemitism and whiteness with Christianity?

What makes matter worse -- OP has absolutely nothing to even support the title. Not a single mentioning of Christianity in OP, in any connotations.

So you had absolutely no idea that the KKK is indeed a Christian terrorism organization? Really?

And I suppose you think there are no Christian anti-Semites as well? Are you at all familiar with passion plays and the Holocaust?

 

[Tahuti]

The reason Muslim terrorism gets more attention is because more political actors can benefit from it getting attention: Arab Nationalists, the US, Israel and the European countries all benefit from it. Even Islamist rivals benefit from it: Hezbollah benefits enormously from being able to point out they are enemies with IS and vice versa.

Any articles that suggest that Christians are murderous antisemites only benefits atheists and Israel. Those are too marginal an audience to make a profit from.

 

[Labtec600]

White supremacist should die for three Kansas murders, prosecutor argues



How many people have even heard about this case?

Why haven't CNN and the other cable news channels been covering this with 24/7 talking heads for days on end, as they would have if this had been a Muslim man who committed these heinous acts?

Why aren't many similar hate crimes committed by those other than Muslims labeled as being acts of terror?

Because nobody cares about white people killing white people. Now, like you said if the killer was Arab, that's a story. OR, the thing that could have been even better is if the victims were Black. Now THAT would be a great story and would get so many people to read it. The news would make billions off that story.

Too bad he picked White Jews.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I would guess 25 million people or so. Margin of error very large. Just throwing that out there as the first guess. I figure it's going to be some %age of all Americans that's not awfully high but not awfully low, and then a bunch of foreigners like me, who happened to have read about it on the internet. So who knows, a bunch of people, let's say 25 million.

I'm guessing this is low. Even if your percentage of Americans is only 10% it gives you over 30 million, and I'm pretty sure there is some sort of blogger network responding to a daily search for "shooting." I'd go with 50 million as a first guess.

I assume since Formy presented the question he will provide a definitive answer, so we can see who is closer, right?

Meanwhile, Tigranes is correct. Adding Christianity to the mix just to try to pick a fight is typical Formy. The reason this story hasn't gotten more play is that "White Supremacist Kills Jews" is hardly man bites dog, and that's the actual story.

 

[Tigranes]

You mean burning crosses is an ancient Christian tradition, right?

 

[Formaldehyde]

From the URL about Christian terrorism you apparently decided not to read:

After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[16] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[17] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[18] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[19] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[20]

 

[bhavv]

You mean burning crosses is an ancient Christian tradition, right?

Are suicide bombings original Islamic tradition? I don't think so.

This case can fully well be labelled as Christian terrorism when compared to what we label as Islamic terrorism. This is the point that the OP is trying to make.

 

[EnglishEdward]

I had not previously heard about it.

And I think I agree with the prosecutor.

 

[JollyRoger]

We need to do something about these violent religious extremists:

A 76-year-old Tennessee man was charged with first-degree murder after fatally shooting his wife because he thought she had stolen and hidden money he planned to tithe to his church, law enforcement officials said on Tuesday.

Norman McKinney of Erwin, Tennessee, in the eastern part of the state, had been charged with attempted murder on Monday, the day after he was arrested by the sheriff's department after shooting his wife, Unicoi County Sheriff's chief investigator Ronnie Adkins said.

Deputies went to his house and found May McKinney still alive in the couple's bedroom, but suffering from a gunshot wound in the head, Adkins said. She died on Monday morning after being airlifted to Johnson City Medical Center, and the charge against her husband was upgraded.

“Mr. McKinney had the gun pointed to her head because he thought she had stolen his tithe money and hidden it,” Adkins said. The officers who searched the house found no hidden collection of money.

http://news.yahoo.com/tennessee-man-76-charged-killing-wife-over-church-203429706.html?bcmt=1441145023229-8c6f8695-60c0-4132-b6f4-388d818d4578&bcmt_s=u#mediacommentsugc_container

 

[Tigranes]

So you had absolutely no idea that the KKK is indeed a Christian terrorism organization? Really?

And I suppose you think there are no Christian anti-Semites as well? Are you at all familiar with passion plays and the Holocaust?

Six well-educated Confederate veterans from Pulaski, Tennessee created the original Ku Klux Klan on December 24, 1865, during the Reconstruction of the South after the Civil War. The name was formed by combining the Greek kyklos (κύκλος, circle) with clan. The group was known for a short time as the "Kuklux Clan". The Ku Klux Klan was one of a number of secret, oath-bound organizations using violence, which included the Southern Cross in New Orleans (1865) and the Knights of the White Camelia (1867) in Louisiana.

Historians generally see the KKK as part of the post Civil War insurgent violence related not only to the high number of veterans in the population, but also to their effort to control the dramatically changed social situation by using extrajudicial means to restore white supremacy. In 1866, Mississippi Governor William L. Sharkey reported that disorder, lack of control and lawlessness were widespread; in some states armed bands of Confederate soldiers roamed at will. The Klan used public violence against blacks as intimidation. They burned houses, and attacked and killed blacks, leaving their bodies on the roads.

Do you get this, especially the bold part? Muslim terrorism is inspired by founder of Islam, who would rob caravans and and execute prisoners. So called Christian terrorism goes against the Christ who would heal attackers injured by self defense of his follower. You are not confusing apples with oranges here, you are confusing stones with apples.

Bobby Fischer's mother was Jewish and yet he was fiercely antisemitic. If you can be Jewish in fact and still anti Semitic, does it surprise you that you can both be antisemitic and claim to be Christian (while not being one in fact) ?

 

[JollyRoger]

Only true Scotsmen are Christian.

 

[Tigranes]

We need to do something about these violent religious extremists:

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We need to do something about these violent religious extremists,

Did you copy pasted Tim's comment on yahoo or you copy pasted yourself? In both cases -- what a lazy lawyer

 

[Tigranes]

Only true Scotsmen are Christian.

Link to video.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Link to video.

You've just made an enemy for life!

Well, nevermind.

I'm only half Scot.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Do you get this, especially the bold part? Muslim terrorism is inspired by founder of Islam, who would rob caravans and and execute prisoners. So called Christian terrorism goes against the Christ who would heal attackers injured by self defense of his follower. You are not confusing apples with oranges here, you are confusing stones with apples.

Again, the KKK is obviously a Christian terrorism organization. That is an indisputable fact.

IBT: KKK using Isis and Taliban terror tactics to wage Christian Jihad on US

By Scott Shepherd Former Imperial Wizard of the KKK

Underpinning all that hatred, all that bile, all that fear, is the Ku Klux Klan. Some experts have suggested the Klan, an organisation of which I was once a senior leader, is dying out. It's not relevant anymore, they say. But the reality is far different; the death of the Klan has, sadly, been greatly exaggerated.

There are no accurate figures to gauge the precise number of Klan members in America. But the insiders I speak to tell me that they are actually growing in strength, drawing on new recruits in the military, and among veterans.

Personally, I would estimate that there are currently between 5,000 and 10,000 paid-up, card-carrying Klansman. Then there are many, many more 'silent members', people who don't attend rallies or make their affiliation public, but support the Klan with financial donations. It's certainly not the disorganised rump some people have described.

Even more alarmingly, the KKK is evolving. Its leaders are adopting the tactics of Islamist terror groups in the Middle East, the tactics of stealth and precision, to pursue their perverted goals.

The Klan aren't calling for a racial war anymore; they're calling for a racial and a religious war. In fact, they're calling for a Christian Jihad, nothing more, nothing less, and they claim their attacks on anti-whites and anti-Christians are sanctioned by God.

We've seen examples of Klan members having stakes in their local churches. Indeed Thomas Robb, National Director of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, is also well-known as a minister in the Christian Identity movement – an extreme branch of the church which preaches that white people are the true Israelites.

ecent events have been twisted to suit the KKK's Christian sales pitch. In Ferguson, we've seen Klan supporters use the religious message to try to elevate the Michael Brown tension into a wider conflict. And, of course, they've latched onto the massacres perpetrated by Isis, a message which seems somewhat ironic when you think about it.

Make no mistake, the KKK is every inch a terror group. In fact, I've even heard and read people describing it as the American Taliban. But, in reality, they're just as similar to Isis and al-Qaeda, albeit their attacks are thankfully less horrific – for the moment.

Americans are preoccupied with the terrorists committing atrocities in the Middle East, and with plenty of justification; no-one could see those bombings and beheadings and not tremble a little inside. But, in waging war against militant Islam in the Arab world, we mustn't forget about the militant Christianity being waged in our backyard.

Scott Shepherd is a former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan in Tennessee. Now he is one of America's foremost anti-racism campaigners, striving to educate young people about the evil of racial hatred.

Furthermore, there is also extensive Jewish terrorism, including the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946 that killed 91 people of various nationalities. And that is just a single example of the thousands of terrorist acts which continue even today. These are also facts.

Do you "get" that Muslim terrorism also goes against the basic tenets of Islam, just as much as it does Christianity and Judaism? Tenets which specifically prohibit killing those who aren't directly fighting against them even during wars?

That this label just as aptly describes Christian and Jewish terrorism as well?

That apparently claiming only Muslims can be terrorists is just downright silly?

Bobby Fischer's mother was Jewish and yet he was fiercely antisemitic. If you can be Jewish in fact and still anti Semitic, does it surprise you that you can both be antisemitic and claim to be Christian (while not being one in fact) ?

Why is it you are so will to divorce anybody whom you don't personally agree with from both Chriistianity and Judaism while refusing to do so towards Muslims using the very same "logic"?

Do you realize how blatantly "offensive" this is to the vast majority of Muslims who find any form of terrorism to be just as reprehensible as you do?

 

[Berzerker]

this crime happened over a year ago and his guilt was never in doubt, the trial was just a formality

Do you "get" that Muslim terrorism also goes against the basic tenets of Islam, just as much as it does Christianity and Judaism? Tenets which specifically prohibit killing those who aren't directly fighting against them even during wars?

unless they're apostates and blasphemers and gays and probably you and me... I imagine the list of exceptions is quite long. And I'll bet Muhammad either killed innocent people himself or had his troops kill them. Kinda hard to avoid when you're conquering other peoples. Comparing Muhammad's Islam to Jesus' Christianity is absurd.