None Shall Pass [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Arakhor]

Camikaze said to me that you learn the identity of those who try to convert you, so that fits, but it wasn't Choxorn who apparently made you incovertible, Frozen. He never visited you.

 

[Frozen In Ice]

Arakhor, I didn't say he did. It would be my guess that I started off the game as un-corruptible but I didn't get any elaboration as to why I was un-corruptible, so that's just a guess.

 

[Arakhor]

Well, our anti-cult and power mimic are both dead, so it was nothing to do with LotR, I'm afraid.

 

[spaceman98]

We now know who Kennigit (the SW nonconverter) visited on night 1.

unvote: vote: Stuck in Pi

 

[JohannaK]

Great news! Vote: Stuck in Pi

 

[Stuck in Pi]

That's an odd accusation Frozen, you seem to be showing your true colors. The only reason you'd vote against SW is if you're LotR Cult. If we go on the assumption that you're SW town which you've been claiming all game (Leia), then you're not doing yourself any favors by coming after Vader. However, if you're LotR cult, then it makes a lot of sense to come after the largest obstacle to your victory. The person who can kill and is required to die to trigger your VC. The LotR cult has split up to injure multiple people, to weaken the night powers of SW while searching for me, whereas SW has concentrated their attacks to kill.

But congratulations. I am Vader. I've been acting in the same way, except when I tried to flip you, it failed. We know Choxorn didn't visit you and the SW mirror died rather quickly. There's only one other reason it failed. You're LotR cult, probably the mouth of Sauron. The votes are even, 7-7, between towns (counting you as the LotR person you are). It comes down to what the towns want to do today.

And I've got a plan for it! There are two remaining LotR cultists and one of me. Do the townies want to duke it out between just the two of them? Go for it! Lynch Frozen in Ice today. He's Cult, I guarantee it. LotR - gather the rest of your suspects. Give me your favorite target, and I will kill them. The remaining LotR cult will attack me. We'll both die since we can't withstand the attacks. SW town, you've got nothing to lose. LotR town, you can kill both cults in one day. Everybody wins!

 

[Frozen In Ice]

So essentially OMGUS Stuck in Pi? You seem to be overlooking the possibility that I'm going after a fellow Star Wars player because since I am un-convertible I can't win with you by definition. This is actually the perfect play for the Star Wars town to lynch you. We will be united and won't have to worry about anymore of your conversions which are the main thing weakening this town.

 

[Arakhor]

I'm willing to go with that option. Vote: FrozenInIce.

For what it's worth, if Vader dies, we can only lynch LotR Cult, rather than kill them, which will be slower than killing and lynching them.

 

[JohannaK]

Okay, I'm lost. What's this mirror and un-converter stuff? Can someone explain? I don't think it's in the rules and it's probably somewhere in this massive thread I have mostly skipped.

 

[Arakhor]

Choxorn (and supposedly Kennigit) had the ability to make townies immune to cult conversion. Choxorn immunised three or four people but Kennigit died really early on.

 

[Stuck in Pi]

I forgot this last time, so vote: Frozen in Ice.

LOTR town, you guys have always insisted on having the numerical advantage, and having the SW town fight its cultists would just make this worse. You guys would be able to destroy us on a whim. By working with our cultists, our town has a better chance of not being the first faction defeated, with maybe even taking 2nd place. This is the right move for all of SW.

If you were unconvertable then, you would NOT have said this. Which means that you became unconvertable between then and now, by being converted to LotR since that is the only possibility.

And if you're not LotR cult, who have your last three roleblocks been?

 

[Sprig]

 

[Frozen In Ice]

I forgot this last time, so vote: Frozen in Ice.



If you were unconvertable then, you would NOT have said this. Which means that you became unconvertable between then and now, by being converted to LotR since that is the only possibility.

And if you're not LotR cult, who have your last three roleblocks been?

Uh, I made it pretty clear that I didn't know I was inconvertible until your attempt failed. For your information, my last blocks have been Darth Feather, Samsniped, and Darth Feather, but I was blocked all three nights, basically since I announced that was targeting people like Takhisis and Samsniped. Knowing you, you will try to read something into that but G3TC has told me he's been experiencing the same problems.

In your flailing around to shift the lynch from you kind of chose a poor target for your LOTR cult claim. I have pretty loud with my thoughts that I found Samsniped and Takhisis scummy.

 

[sirtommygunn]

vote:Stuck in Pi for obvious reasons.

 

[Arakhor]

In your flailing around to shift the lynch from you kind of chose a poor target for your LOTR cult claim. I have pretty loud with my thoughts that I found Samsniped and Takhisis scummy.

Azzaman keeps claiming that I'm scum too, either that excuse works for me too or it doesn't work at all.

Other than that though, I think it would be a good idea to take up Vader's offer. SW Town loses nothing, other than perhaps FII (but that's the omelette proposition) and LotR Town stands to gain one extra cultist dead.

 

[topsecret]

So the choice really comes down to whether we want to:

A) Finish off Vader...

OR

B) Try to find another LOTR Cult.

So...

Also Vote: Gone 3 The Celt as you are the only one besides Azzaman that didn't vote Samsniped and you were voting KM (TOWN) instead of Takhisis the previous day

dcmort has proven to be reliable and a townie. I think we can trust him, and my vote is going to be Vote: Gone 3 The Celt.

And a quote from The Witch-King on Day 10 on Arakhor:

I agree with you on this, azzaman. I realize by now that my power was useless, and now is 100% useless. The Ring either has no power by now or died with Sauron. I wouldn't be surprised if Vote: Arakhor was scum, though, as he was constantly telling me to scan people. I know, I'm probably the worst one to point out someone who might be scum right now, but something tells me that his sudden turn on takh (as you pointed out, azza) seemed to be an attempt to keep himself clean.

Why on earth would Sam, heading toward the lynching, try to implicate his own teammate? Unless this is a complicated throw so Arakhor could pull this out later...
Hmm. Why do things have to be so complicated?

 

[sirtommygunn]

What is with the complete turnaround today, Arakhor? Last night you insisted we needed to go after SW cult. Now Vader has revealed himself, and suddenly LOTR cult is top priority (Oh, but only if we go after the never-before-seen cross-town cult conversion)? I don't see any reason why you should trust Vader enough not only to do what you asked him, but trusting his claim of who should be lynched on a day where he's the main suspect. We have also learned that Vader can kill AND convert on the same night, he is way too dangerous to leave alive.

It seems like a lot to ask SW to a. let our town members be lynched two days in a row.
b. Let our cultist continue converting
c. Let your cultists target SW members for 2 nights
d. Have only an already revealed Vader be the only thing to keep the towns in balance.
e. Since Vader has been allowed to continue converting, obviously the entire SW town is cult at this point, they must all be killed. Oh, and the one guy he couldn't convert? LOTR cult, obviously.

 

[sirtommygunn]

And a quote from The Witch-King on Day 10 on Arakhor:

Why on earth would Sam, heading toward the lynching, try to implicate his own teammate? Unless this is a complicated throw so Arakhor could pull this out later...
Hmm. Why do things have to be so complicated?

And some more evidence of cult bussing. Honestly, Arakhor is looking like the best candidate for LOTR cult right now.

 

[spaceman98]

Uh, I made it pretty clear that I didn't know I was inconvertible until your attempt failed. For your information, my last blocks have been Darth Feather, Samsniped, and Darth Feather, but I was blocked all three nights, basically since I announced that was targeting people like Takhisis and Samsniped. Knowing you, you will try to read something into that but G3TC has told me he's been experiencing the same problems.

In your flailing around to shift the lynch from you kind of chose a poor target for your LOTR cult claim. I have pretty loud with my thoughts that I found Samsniped and Takhisis scummy.

I find it very hard to believe that either cult has TWO roleblockers, in addition to vigelantes, in addition to retaining the ability to convert. That's just unbelievably OP

 

[spaceman98]

Vader's offer looks compelling, especially given FII's bizarre claim (see above. if the cults are as powerful as FII implies then there is no way, at all, for us to win the game, even if we play optimally, since 1: Convertibles will be converted at the same speed as we lynch cultists, so the cult will never shrink (actually, since there are two cults, they will be converted twice as fast as we lynch) 2: NCs will get killed by the cult vigelantes, 3: our roleblockers healers etc will just get roleblocked, since supposedly the cults have that also).

At the same time, I find it hard to believe that FII is an LOTR cultist since he has acted consistently like an SW (for example he/she not only voted for Visor, he also scolded G3tC for voting for BL!). This leads me to think that FII is some sort of neutral third party, since he/she isn't an LOTR, but her/his claims about being an SW just don't add up, or rather, if they did add up, would show that we have already lost the game. unvote: vote FII. I'm not sure what you are or what you want, but I don't think you are what you claim to be.