None Shall Pass [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Double A]

unvote, vote: Backwards Logic

This is a much better option. If we do continue with this town war crap, neither town will win, and I'd much rather lose to the other town than either cult.

 

[KingMorgan]

Star Wars town haven't got the stones to do the right thing. They are all Jar Jar.

Unvote; Vote: Backwards Logic

 

[Visorslash]

I posted it earlier in the thread, about hoping this game didn't come to this.

I feared it might and it seems it has. SW town has thrown in the towel, given up. I hope you are aware that your VC isn't SW cult winning. I doubt the cult has infinite recruitment either. Some of you who would support BL today, are going to die SW town, and no-one is going to care. Especially not BL and his band of cultists.

If you are willing to follow your VC which is SW Town, I know who most of your cultists are. I can kill or attempt to kill them tonight. If you want to not play to your VC and give up, I don't understand why you would signup in the first place. Your VC isn't get recruited. Its to kill SW cult, kill LOTR cult and outlast LOTR town. Why on earth would you side with your cultists is beyond me. You think maybe he'll recruit me, then I can win? It doesn't work like that.

I have more to say, but I'll leave it for bit later.

 

[spaceman98]

I posted it earlier in the thread, about hoping this game didn't come to this.

I feared it might and it seems it has. SW town has thrown in the towel, given up. I hope you are aware that your VC isn't SW cult winning. I doubt the cult has infinite recruitment either. Some of you who would support BL today, are going to die SW town, and no-one is going to care. Especially not BL and his band of cultists.

If you are willing to follow your VC which is SW Town, I know who most of your cultists are. I can kill or attempt to kill them tonight. If you want to not play to your VC and give up, I don't understand why you would signup in the first place. Your VC isn't get recruited. Its to kill SW cult, kill LOTR cult and outlast LOTR town. Why on earth would you side with your cultists is beyond me. You think maybe he'll recruit me, then I can win? It doesn't work like that.

I have more to say, but I'll leave it for bit later.

I will also add that some of you are probably incorruptible, so you CAN'T be recruited. You can defeat us today, but then BL and his cult take over and you are killed.

 

[Visorslash]

There are bound to be inconvertible roles in the game. SW town, please make the right decision today, and vote off one of your cultists.

 

[Camikaze]

1. Attempts to lynch SW townie
2. Fails
3. Chastises SW people for attempting to lynch LOTR person
4. ???
5. Profit!

Visor, you conveniently avoided mentioning that SW people don't win if you do. And that you've been bumping them off one by one. You're saying "don't vote for me even though I want to kill/beat you all, and instead turn your backs on a strategy that's working". Meta-guilting us is cute, but this isn't a game of good v evil. If being brought over to the dark side is going to get me victory, I have no moral qualms. Even if the SW cult were to start bumping off the town for some reason, they seem to be going after LOTR at the moment, which suits me fine. If killing one of them reduces the capacity to beat LOTR, instead increasing LOTR's capacity to kill SW town, that would be something to pursue after LOTR is taken care of.

 

[KingMorgan]

From a neutral point of view, voting to kill a SW cultist has got to be the right move, even if you feel as a townie your between a rock and hard place. Got to be doubly the right move if you un-corruptible - as your life expectancy tomorrow and going forward is basically ZERO.

 

[Visorslash]

1. Attempts to lynch SW townie
2. Fails
3. Chastises SW people for attempting to lynch LOTR person
4. ???
5. Profit!

Visor, you conveniently avoided mentioning that SW people don't win if you do. And that you've been bumping them off one by one. You're saying "don't vote for me even though I want to kill/beat you all, and instead turn your backs on a strategy that's working". Meta-guilting us is cute, but this isn't a game of good v evil. If being brought over to the dark side is going to get me victory, I have no moral qualms. Even if the SW cult were to start bumping off the town for some reason, they seem to be going after LOTR at the moment, which suits me fine. If killing one of them reduces the capacity to beat LOTR, instead increasing LOTR's capacity to kill SW town, that would be something to pursue after LOTR is taken care of.

You seem to be deliberately misconstruing things. I am the 'LOTR vig'. I have to kill SW people otherwise it looks pretty darn suspicious.

 

[Camikaze]

You seem to be deliberately misconstruing things. I am the 'LOTR vig'. I have to kill SW people otherwise it looks pretty darn suspicious.

Well yes, it is my point that it is your job to kill me and other SW townies. Keeping you around is therefore not at all in my interests or the interests of any other SW player. You're saying here "duh, of course I want to kill SW people, but you should not lynch me anyway, because reasons!" It shouldn't be surprising that the objectives of team A & B would happen to coincide here, especially seeing as teams C & D just got 10 votes onto Nintz themselves.

 

[Visorslash]

Well yes, it is my point that it is your job to kill me and other SW townies. Keeping you around is therefore not at all in my interests. You're saying here "duh, of course I want to kill SW people, but you should not lynch me anyway, because reasons!"

I'm saying you should keep me around, as a SW townie, as I am one of your best hopes of actually defeating either cult.

You have a claimed cultist, yet you refuse to vote for him.

 

[topsecret]

Unvote: vote: BL
We have a basically admitted cultist and the SW town doesn't care... Also, the cult knows the only way to get Aragorn is to lynch him, so the SW town is playing into their hands.

 

[Camikaze]

I'm saying you should keep me around, as a SW townie, as I am one of your best hopes of actually defeating either cult.

You have a claimed cultist, yet you refuse to vote for him.

You're a claimed and proved SW killer. Given the cultists have yet to actually kill any SW player, excuse me for thinking they're at worst the lesser of two evils. This notion that 'cultists' are automatically worse than the people actually killing the SW town just because the name sounds kinda evil is ridiculous.

 

[Takhisis]

Well, then it is vote:Backwards Logic, amirite?

 

[Frozen In Ice]

LOTR town, you guys have always insisted on having the numerical advantage, and having the SW town fight its cultists would just make this worse. You guys would be able to destroy us on a whim. By working with our cultists, our town has a better chance of not being the first faction defeated, with maybe even taking 2nd place. This is the right move for all of SW.

 

[Takhisis]

Fish Finger of Suspicion: Frozen In Ice, you're a cultist defending his master.

 

[spaceman98]

re Camikaze: If you are a townie and lynch Visor, then SW cult will continue to lynch LOTR, and convert you. Those of you who are unconvertible die, SW cult wins, everyone else loses.

If you are SW town and lynch the cult, then the cult will continue to kill LOTRs at night, meaning that both the cult and LOTR will be losing players. You will still have your vigilante to kill us at night also, so by lynching an SW cultist, YOU STILL HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING, by viging us into oblivion and lynching your cultists. Remember, you know who our vige is now and have a ton of roleblockers. Last night, you killed 2 LOTRs and we killed 0 SWs. Hence, by lynching a cultist, you are damaging the strongest of the factions against you, while LOTR, at this point, is relatively weak.

 

[KingMorgan]

By working with our cultists, our town has a better chance of not being the first faction defeated, with maybe even taking 2nd place. This is the right move for all of SW.

Seriously?
Your advocating aiming for 2nd place? But of course you being cult, your not really bothered about SW town are you, expendable sheep - I bet that is how you view them, with any non convertible being deposed of at night or lynched during the day.

If you really honestly consider the mechanics of the game then any SW town esp non convertibles are far better off ridding the cancerous cult that makes up a large proportion of the SW side and taking their chances later in the game - at least there is some realistic chance of pulling off a late win.

TL: DR - "Abandon all hope SW town" - Frozen in Cult.

 

[Arakhor]

Second place? What a ridiculous concept in a Mafia game. Either you're SW Cult or you're utterly deluded about what you need to do. My priority has always been to lynch the cults first and then worry about the survivors. If you don't eliminate your cultists, either you will die or you will be converted and I doubt that your VC will magically change, just because you've been converted.

Vote: Backwards Logic. SW Cult think they've won - Camikaze almost abandoned all pretence yesterday and today BL all but admitted he was Palpatine. Unless SW Town want to lose like everyone else, they need to remove their cult posthaste.

 

[Frozen In Ice]

I was merely giving an argument against Visor slash's claim that we weren't playing correctly. We are playing correctly if our actions guarantee a higher finishing place. I was deliberately ignoring the possibility that we get converted because Visor said that townies should not be banking on that, and I showed how the Star Wars town's actions still make sense. I'm still not to cultist, I'm merely forming an alliance with one.

 

[Takhisis]

The current tally would be:

Nintz: azza, jht; SamSniped; (3)
Visorslash: Backwards logic; Buddhafish; Camikaze; Frozen In ice; Gone 3 the Celt; Jarrema; Nintz; sirtommygunn; SouthernKIng; Stuck in Pi; dcmort93 (11)
Backwards Logic: spaceman98; Darth Feather; Visorslash; Double A; KingMorgan; topsecret; Takhisis; Arakhor (8)​

Now, we have you by the shorts, Backwards.

Star Wars town: your entire apparent strategy appears to be to just wait around and hope to be converted. Backwards and Camikaze are not bothering to cover up their Cult-ness.
Even Anakinintz is just killing LotR people instead of trying to find cultists. Don't you people realise that the cult can, and will bus you, or nightkill you, because it's clear most of you aren't that necessary for them to win?

I was merely giving an argument against Visor slash's claim that we weren't playing correctly. We are playing correctly if our actions guarantee a higher finishing place. I was deliberately ignoring the possibility that we get converted because Visor said that townies should not be banking on that, and I showed how the Star Wars town's actions still make sense. I'm still not to cultist, I'm merely forming an alliance with one.

You're just demonstrating my point! You will get burned?