Northern Colorado wants to secede, form new state

[bhsup]

In addition to splitting, we need some merging. Physically small states are an embarrassment. Do away with RI, CT, MA, ME, VT, NH and just make "New England" a State. Actually, Maine is passable on its own, so no biggie either way if it joins or not.

Also, Virginia get West Virginia back.

 

[sophie]

In addition to splitting, we need some merging. Physically small states are an embarrassment. Do away with RI, CT, MA, ME, VT, NH and just make "New England" a State. Actually, Maine is passable on its own, so no biggie either way if it joins or not.

Also, Virginia get West Virginia back.

But loses Northern Virginia. I love it!

 

[Bootstoots]

Does Virginia really want West Virginia back? This would mean that the #8 state by GDP per capita would take the #48/49 state (depending on source). But you could split off Fairfax and Arlington counties plus the cities of Fairfax and Alexandria and merge them with Maryland if you want a solidly Republican Virginia, or just make them their own state of Northern Virginia (they have the population to make this credible).

 

[madviking]

But loses Northern Virginia. I love it!

Does Virginia really want West Virginia back? This would mean that the #8 state by GDP per capita would take the #48/49 state (depending on source). But you could split off Fairfax and Arlington counties plus the cities of Fairfax and Alexandria and merge them with Maryland if you want a solidly Republican Virginia, or just make them their own state of Northern Virginia (they have the population to make this credible).

AS A PROUD NORTHERN VIRGINIAN I agree with these proposals. nova gets gypped for state funding; richmond poormond treats us as a cash cow and hence our roads are pretty cruddy, hence why there's some(?) clamor for us to successfully secede from rova (rest of virgina). that's the short of the situation. the problem is for stuff like higher education, the only (respectable) university within loudoun, fairfax, arlington, prince william, and immediate cities is george mason university. hence, most students go to virginia tech, uva, vcu, etc.

it's probably never going to happen, but i do consider myself to be a northern virginian since i don't want to be associated with those punks in poormond.

 

[downtown]

I think the urban/rural disconnect is strong in a lot of states, and there might be a few places where the cultural disconnect is so strong that maybe it wouldn't be a TERRIBLE idea for a split, so long as both states have enough people and resources to reasonably survive. I can totally understand the argument that CA is too damn big to govern, or that NoVa should split from the rest of the state or something.

I certainly feel like more of a citizen of Chicago than Illinois, for what it's worth. I have a lot more in common with some of the counties in WI and IN that are in Chicagoland than I do with most of downstate.

This particular example though, I think, is really stupid. I don't see how a Northern Colorado could survive.

 

[dutchfire]

Who would need to agree to make such a plan work? The president, Congress, the state of Colorado, downtown, the citizens of northern Colorado (in a referendum), or all of the above?

 

[kramerfan86]

To me for a new state to form from an old state, the hypothetical new state needs to have a population at least as big as Wyoming and needs to prove that it can have a viable economy and tax base to properly maintain the infrastructure the original mother state provided. If they have that going for them Im really quite fine with more states splitting off, however, Northern Colorado clearly fufills neither of these.

 

[JollyRoger]

In addition to splitting, we need some merging. Physically small states are an embarrassment. Do away with RI, CT, MA, ME, VT, NH and just make "New England" a State. Actually, Maine is passable on its own, so no biggie either way if it joins or not.

Also, Virginia get West Virginia back.

And some states border so many other states, that you can expand the borders of each surrounding state a bit and eliminate the unnecessary state.

 

[Traitorfish]

You really want to do it properly, you should go back to the original plan and just have the original colonies stretching westwards across the continent until they hit the Pacific. None of this big-government "Ohio territory" crap, thank you very much.

 

[bhsup]

And some states border so many other states, that you can expand the borders of each surrounding state a bit and eliminate the unnecessary state.

Or....

 

[Perfection]

Why no Idaho?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Jesusland is a lot bigger than that...

 

[Perfection]

Christ!

Also what about the funny colored ones? Are they part of Jesusland or not?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Those are the flip-floppers. They can't seem to make up their minds from year to year.

 

[Traitorfish]

Well, liberals have nobody but themselves to blame for the Appalachians and Rockies. That used to be Wobbly country, but "progressive" opinion concluded that obedience was preferable to dignity in the working man, and look where that got you.

 

[mangxema]

In addition to splitting, we need some merging. Physically small states are an embarrassment. Do away with RI, CT, MA, ME, VT, NH and just make "New England" a State. Actually, Maine is passable on its own, so no biggie either way if it joins or not.

Also, Virginia get West Virginia back.

But why should RI merge with CT just because some busybody from Washington Missouri thinks they should?

 

[Traitorfish]

There is precedent. Just, not a very good one.

 

[bhsup]

But why should RI merge with CT just because some busybody from Washington Missouri thinks they should?

You've trapped me in my own states' rights quandary!

 

[madviking]

You really want to do it properly, you should go back to the original plan and just have the original colonies stretching westwards across the continent until they hit the Pacific. None of this big-government "Ohio territory" crap, thank you very much.

There was never an Ohio Territory.

Also, according to this map, Virginia once claimed all of the Northwest Territory.

 

[Traitorfish]

There was never an Ohio Territory.

The Northwest Territory was colloquially known as the "Ohio Territory", so it still counts.

Also, according to this map, Virginia once claimed all of the Northwest Territory.

Yeah, Virgina had a habit of taking the piss about this stuff. They claimed that their original royal charter of the Virginia Company was for a colony between the 34th and 41st parallels entitled them to everything in that area West of the Appalachians, and maybe a bit more for good measure. It's likely that they deliberately overstated things in a hope of bargaining their way to a generous compromise, but you can never be entirely sure with the early States.

I'm surprised by the extent of New York's claim, though. I knew they claimed a lot of the Ohio Country and Great Lakes, but I hadn't realised they fancies themselves entitled to so much below the Ohio. No idea who they justified that one, because even the Dutch colony never had a charter that expansive!