NOTW LII - The Immortals II [Game Thread - Concluded]

[KingMorgan]

Well, I best prepare my defence then young Wrathful Warlock.

I have been working on a theory which I was not going to mention but you've forced my hand by placing me into the lynch lead. I call bullcrap on your spat with Backwards Logic, I think your both making an argument for show and in fact your both on the same scum team and these shenanigans are merely a smokescreen to try to establish some credibility and distance should the votes start coming your way, no doubt when one of you flips evil the other can claim "but on day 3 I voted for him"

I do find the following quotes rather strange, why change your votes so late in the day and after making such 'great' cases against other mages?

spaceman98, Darth Feather. I personally think it's a better case overall, and I think it'll give some more info also."

2.5 hours later

Catharsis

Revenge is a dish best served steaming hot, but in your case I'll have to settle for lukewarm. Which angers me.

Darth Feather

That piece of theater, makes a mockery of your previous comments, you've both been filp-flopping on your votes as you were sat on a beach, throwing mud and hoping it will stick. If we look back at your voting patterns then we can see some interesting choices, who better than an inactive Bsmith to lynch. When Darth escaped the lynch he mysteriously died, couldn't get him on vote so you off'd him overnight, I cannot imagine that he had dirt on one of you so perhaps you were after his mana?

Backwards Logic KingMorgan

Makes more sense this way around, since KM being innocent would count in BL's defence, whilst the same is not true in reverse.

You know full well I'm going to flip innocent on the rope so what better way to "prove" BL is as pure as the driven snow than to "test" it by lynching an innocent? I really cannot see the logic; to test BL you'll hang me?

Looking at the deaths so far and trying to interpret the voting I'm convinced there is a devious and experienced magical mind behind the events thus far, it would be easy to vote for the Warlock, but I agree with him that Backwards Logic is a very suspicious Necromancer.



Jarrema

 

[KingMorgan]

Oh and another thing......

Jarrema for raw mana number one

Choxorn for raw mana number two

 

[Kennigit]

Wait, give what? The raw mana? Then why don't you vote it to yourself? The shattered Earth orb or Darth Feather's soul? Or the second level Earth spell? This post makes no sense.

The earth orb. No one is talking about some magic system of transferring spells. Choxorn *now goes "oh gee, I learned the earth mana is pretty good so I better ask for it again"

like I posted before, he is a lying scum and never had any intention to do any benefit with the earth mana to begin with.

I'll catch up on thread later (or attempt to).

*ninjaedit know to now, grammar

 

[Kennigit]

as per rules, show game thread my GREEN WAFER

I'll vote jarrema one of the flavourless WAFERs for sale today.

we can stop silly plans of "oh my PG is to collect a whole bunch of WAFERs, which totally coincidentally is the victory condition of the scum. Oh, but let's make people craft raw mana to get to use their spells instead of getting the right mana out there quickly", and instead can get the orbs to the right people, at the right time.

which that time was yesterday and the right person was me. At least for all earth related mana.

I agree that BL looks scuzzy, but so do many folks. And we aren't sure what this invisceration business is.

 

[Backwards Logic]

What's disappointing more than anything is the lack of anyone bothering to stick their neck out and make an actual case based on something. Sure, 'my' lynches haven't turned out so great, but maybe if people you know, showed up and voted, it wouldn't take a whopping three or two votes to hang someone. At this point, I don't even care if you vote me, just show up and actually do something besides fluff away. So after I deal with Winston, I'm going to call a whole bunch of you out.

While my case on Winston admittedly isn't the best, he's gone all-in on his defense on himself, linking me to another player and presenting two others for lynch besides himself. Sure, claiming 'if KM is innocent BL might be too' looks nice and townie in theory, but the reality is I'll still come back after him the next day, and we'll be back to square one. It's an awesome deflection move, and considering not one evil guy is down something that buys quite a bit of time.

Also, since Catharsis was in the spotlight, he hasn't done much at all. Didn't even bother to respond to my response to him. He's asked others to add more insight to their votes, yet done nothing to add anything of his own. To me, he's hiding in plain sight right now doing all he can to not be apart of any case or make any case of his own. I expect more.

Kennigit, if you think I'm scum vote me. If you think others are also, make a case and vote them. BSmith got heat for using the word decisive, but guess what, it's time if you're town to actually come out, be decisive, and do something besides relying on orbs to do the work for you. Lazy buggers.

Speaking of BSmith, since you're here now, time to show it. Voting orbs is easy. Making your own case to fix this whole 2-3 votes deciding everything isn't. Back it up.

Where's Autolycus? You here?

Besides Winston linking me to you, KingMorgan, why the sudden change in Orb votes? I get the accusation change, but the Orbs I don't. You go from accusing him to piling on with another Orb vote for him. What changed, because I can't find anything that would cause that particular reaction.

Boy would I love some responses to the above. Even if that response is "BL is scum go die." That would at least put some info in the thread. Who's willing to make a case, and who's willing to pile on?

 

[BSmith1068]

I’ll go with Winston today. Of all the cases so far he seems to have been the most manipulative. Naturally I am somewhat biased since that manipulation was mainly targeted at me, but I feel that he simply picked someone he wanted to try to get lynched and put on the pressure. Add to that BL’s perspective and I feel it is the best case so far.

 

[KingMorgan]

Besides Winston linking me to you, KingMorgan, why the sudden change in Orb votes? I get the accusation change, but the Orbs I don't. You go from accusing him to piling on with another Orb vote for him. What changed, because I can't find anything that would cause that particular reaction.

It is my first orb vote, I have not changed it.
My reason for voting Jarrema the mana is simply "anyone but Backwards Logic", I'm surprised anyone took my initial accusation seriously, I was merely pointing out his hypocrisy. Which, incidentally he has brazened out of with no apology or admission of guilt, damn cheek if you ask me.
Since I bothered to vote for one, I thought I'd tie the voting on the other man, just like, to be mysterious, dudes!

Will have to agree with BL, that many ppl run the risk of getting splinters from that fence they be sitting on.

 

[spaceman98]

regarding Kennigit. He's really desperate to get the Earth mana, and has so far voted to lynch anyone who would stand in his way. That has been the sum of his contribution to the game so far: asserting that he should have the Earth mana, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly mafia. At the same time, he probably isn't mafia, because if he was, he would just have killed Choxorn and acquired the mana as by now. Could he be a neutral role with a PG to get Earth mana?

I doubt that King Morgan's "smokescreen hypothesis" is correct, because due to how inactive people are, any case could unintentionally acquire the 3 votes needed to make a lynch. If BL and WH are doing this all as some sort of elaborate distraction/charade, they are risking everything by doing so, because they are putting both of themselves under the microscope, and one of them could easily get lynched. At the same time, I don't see any reason to believe that King Morgan is mafia. Publically accusing the two most active posters in the thread when there are many votes on you is a very gutsy move.


Overall, I will vote for Winston Hughes. His claim that KM lynch would "add evidence for BL's innocence" is transparent stalling. The two of you will still be accusing each other, no matter who KM turns out to be. His claim that BL acted in order to save King Morgan is very dubious. King Morgan was under little pressure yesterday, except for a very poorly justified vote from Jarrema.

 

[Kennigit]

True bl.

choxorn gets my vote

 

[spaceman98]

It is my first orb vote, I have not changed it.
My reason for voting Jarrema the mana is simply "anyone but Backwards Logic", I'm surprised anyone took my initial accusation seriously, I was merely pointing out his hypocrisy. Which, incidentally he has brazened out of with no apology or admission of guilt, damn cheek if you ask me.
Since I bothered to vote for one, I thought I'd tie the voting on the other man, just like, to be mysterious, dudes!

Will have to agree with BL, that many ppl run the risk of getting splinters from that fence they be sitting on.

Hypocrisy is a good sign of scumminess, KM and the fact that you don't recognize that is in itself somewhat suspicious.

Also, I'm also a candidate for Raw Mana 1. Why not me? I'm not backwards logic, and I'm not a hypocrite. Granted, I am clearly biased in this, but at least unlike Jaremma I am actively participating in the game.

fos: King Morgan

 

[Kennigit]

On my phone so not quoting directly but orbs win the game.

If people die and theit orbs go to townies then nothing is lost

 

[spaceman98]

actually, wait. Why is the fact that I voted the first raw mana to myself not reflected in the tally?

I withdraw my suspicion from KM for now, as his actions are somewhat more understandable with this in mind.

 

[Kennigit]

@raw mana:

Well i do want the raw mana to matriculate their way to be crafted to earth. Choxorn could do that for me, but some diversity is needed

 

[Catharsis]

Also, since Catharsis was in the spotlight, he hasn't done much at all. Didn't even bother to respond to my response to him. He's asked others to add more insight to their votes, yet done nothing to add anything of his own. To me, he's hiding in plain sight right now doing all he can to not be apart of any case or make any case of his own. I expect more.

^{- Not entirely fair, I've voted loads.}

Most of my leading questions so far haven't come to much though. People have generally answered quite well. I might be on to something with the new one though.

My current thinking is Kennigit/KingMorgan mafia team.

Kennigit has, as others (spaceman) have pointed out, done very little so far to distinguish himself on the voting sheets. He's just been voting for choxorn over and over. But yesterday he voted for choxorn and followed up with a post denouncing KingMorgan as suspicious for attempting to grab both the mana. Good point. No vote.

So today I says to Kennigit I says, based on that post, would you vote for KingMorgan today? And he says, nothing. And then he says, vote:choxorn. Choxorn by the way has no other votes and barring some sort of massive turnaround based on opinions with more weight behind them than Kennigit's, isn't today's lynch vote. KingMorgan potentially is today's lynch vote, but no sell for Kennigit.

I think, Kennigit, that the post you used to distance yourself from KM was slightly too good.

Based on my own reasoning I can't vote for Kennigit today but I can vote for KingMorgan and see where that gets us.

 

[Sprig]

actually, wait. Why is the fact that I voted the first raw mana to myself not reflected in the tally?

I withdraw my suspicion from KM for now, as his actions are somewhat more understandable with this in mind.

Wasn't bolded and the hosts poor choice of colour made it lost in the ether.

 

[Winston Hughes]

I don't know what I can say to convince people, other than that BL is going to lynch me for the same reason he lynched Visorslash: we stuck our necks out. That's the exact same thing that he's telling people they need to do. It's also the same thing that Zack, ATPG and Takhisis can be relied on to do, and quite possibly the reason the three of them got whacked.

My current thinking is Kennigit/KingMorgan mafia team.

Kennigit has, as others (spaceman) have pointed out, done very little so far to distinguish himself on the voting sheets. He's just been voting for choxorn over and over. But yesterday he voted for choxorn and followed up with a post denouncing KingMorgan as suspicious for attempting to grab both the mana. Good point. No vote.

So today I says to Kennigit I says, based on that post, would you vote for KingMorgan today? And he says, nothing. And then he says, vote:choxorn. Choxorn by the way has no other votes and barring some sort of massive turnaround based on opinions with more weight behind them than Kennigit's, isn't today's lynch vote. KingMorgan potentially is today's lynch vote, but no sell for Kennigit.

I think, Kennigit, that the post you used to distance yourself from KM was slightly too good.

Based on my own reasoning I can't vote for Kennigit today but I can vote for KingMorgan and see where that gets us.

Since I'm likely to be lynched, I guess this is a good time to mention that I scanned Kennigit last night using Raw Mana, revealing that he had no more than one orb. (I scanned you the night before, revealing that you do have more than one.)

 

[spaceman98]

unvote: Vote: King Morgan. Winston has a testable ability, that, if real, could be useful. Catharsis's case on Morgan is convincing.

 

[choxorn]

Spaceman, Kennigit isn't killing me because the night kill appears to shatter orbs, while lynching doesn't.

Anyway, Catharsis's theory is compelling, and I find it highly likely that at least one of KM, Winston, and Backwards is mafia.

KingMorgan is the most likely of the bunch, and even if he's innocent, that would tell us some things.

Orb one to spaceman Orb two to me

 

[Kennigit]

Kennigit has, as others (spaceman) have pointed out, done very little so far to distinguish himself on the voting sheets. He's just been voting for choxorn over and over. But yesterday he voted for choxorn and followed up with a post denouncing KingMorgan as suspicious for attempting to grab both the mana. Good point. No vote.

The first street performer (sorry, I do not recognize people outside of the magician's guild) to try to pull a trick may be a hack

the second guy who tries to pull the exact same identical trick is most definitely a hack

that's why all my tricks (earth mana included!) are 100% O-R-I-G-I-N-A-L

not some phony trick

 

[choxorn]

Actually, Catharsis, Kennigit has done something other than vote for me- act so completely nuts that even Takhisis would have to roll his eyes at him.