Frozen In Ice
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That reminds me that rhawn has that supposedly powerful weapon we won't tell anyone about. Would you care to elaborate rhawn?
NOTW XXXIX: Impending Retribution Game Thread
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To be fair, a rogue trying to destroy our nuclear reactor should be executed, CCRunner. If you admit to having a stolen item you should also give it back. I urge whoever has those reactor codes to keep them to yourself and not give them to CCRunner, nor anyone else as I'm not at all confident about those who have been aiding and abetting you until we heard more.
And I don't know what to make of you claiming that choxorn was doing repairs, because choxorn himself has already made clear that's not what he was doing. He may have been accidentally caught in a coincidence and the more I've heard from you the less sure I am choxorn was a sabotuer, but you clearly don't have your facts straight.
And I don't know what to make of you claiming that choxorn was doing repairs, because choxorn himself has already made clear that's not what he was doing. He may have been accidentally caught in a coincidence and the more I've heard from you the less sure I am choxorn was a sabotuer, but you clearly don't have your facts straight.
rhawn
Emperor
It allows me to interrogate whoever is in the brig and force a confession if they have killed someone. I interrogated Darth Caesar last night, he is a killer.
There's also the possibility you're missing, that he wants to do something innocent and I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
That possibility is too slim to be remotely worth seriously considering. Someone (not saying who did this action, but in the whole scheme Renata at least was involved and was acting on whatever CCRunner told her) got that trap set up in the Engine room, presumably to stop saboteurs or rogues from doing damage or accessing the reactor.
If CCRunner was aware of the trap, and was Innocent, and had reason to go to Renata/whomever right then, then the coincidence that a random sailor with an odd and not exactly useful ability, like you choxorn, would bumble by just then is too much to handle.
I am leaning towards thinking now that CCRunner is Innocent and you were ,pre coincidentally caught though, don't get me wrong, Seaman. The reason for this is CCRunner has no legitimate reason to need any of the items he's claimed nor to do anything to the Reactor. The item he already has is a stolen item that I personally KNOW should not go to anyone but me. Why he needs this item and needs it in conjunction with the Reactor Codes, when the reactor is working fine, is completely unexplained, whereas why I need the item is perfectly reasonable and has been explained and known to a fair few appropriate people for a while.
Most annoyingly perhaps, the person who comes out in the craziest spot in all this though is Renata, and she's going to have to answer some stuff anyway but I'll just lay it out on what's relevant to this matter, the rest of the crew probably doesn't want to be nailbiting. It's been extremely disappointing that not only has Renata, and I don't know to what extent Captain Methos, has failed to help many Innocents in some other tasks but wouldn't bring up more discussion and cases in public. This matter has been out there for at least a couple of days, we wasted the johnhughthom lynch and bandwaggoned Darth Caesar all that time with the pressing worry of rogues after items. I can understand if Renata simply doesn't believe me, thought me guilty and trusted CCRunner, or vice versa, but she should have simply gone with a case against one of us and settled it.
Then, I simply have no clue why Renata said stuff (to me, privately) that she even wanted hide from Captain Methos what items CCRunner was after. I didn't know it was CCRunner at the time and it seems she only talked to me because I already told her and others that I need the stolen item back that CCRunner apparently already, so she had to ask. There's also the matter of tons of unaccounted for items, actions, and so on. The Master Key has gone missing - none of you crew apparently cared enough to ask where it went after Renata took it early on, but at any rate it's not seemed to have been given to or used by anyone clearly Innocent. Our missile systems were brought online by an unknown party, when some people thought that a stolen item was missing as was sonar, but we've not looked into that. Why and how another missing/stolen item showed up, conveniently after we failed to use the Aegis system to actually defend an attack, and on the night rogues could have been all over the ship, is unexplained, as is why Sonar hasn't been repaired either.
So there's a lot of things to be accounted for. I personally have not nor do I continue to see a problem with more transparency in everyone's access and abilities, it would help me and other Innocents and I see no real downsides, at least to talk more than the extremely paltry discussion we have already. And that's especially the case if we don't have Innocent leaders to trust anyway.
If CCRunner was aware of the trap, and was Innocent, and had reason to go to Renata/whomever right then, then the coincidence that a random sailor with an odd and not exactly useful ability, like you choxorn, would bumble by just then is too much to handle.
I am leaning towards thinking now that CCRunner is Innocent and you were ,pre coincidentally caught though, don't get me wrong, Seaman. The reason for this is CCRunner has no legitimate reason to need any of the items he's claimed nor to do anything to the Reactor. The item he already has is a stolen item that I personally KNOW should not go to anyone but me. Why he needs this item and needs it in conjunction with the Reactor Codes, when the reactor is working fine, is completely unexplained, whereas why I need the item is perfectly reasonable and has been explained and known to a fair few appropriate people for a while.
Most annoyingly perhaps, the person who comes out in the craziest spot in all this though is Renata, and she's going to have to answer some stuff anyway but I'll just lay it out on what's relevant to this matter, the rest of the crew probably doesn't want to be nailbiting. It's been extremely disappointing that not only has Renata, and I don't know to what extent Captain Methos, has failed to help many Innocents in some other tasks but wouldn't bring up more discussion and cases in public. This matter has been out there for at least a couple of days, we wasted the johnhughthom lynch and bandwaggoned Darth Caesar all that time with the pressing worry of rogues after items. I can understand if Renata simply doesn't believe me, thought me guilty and trusted CCRunner, or vice versa, but she should have simply gone with a case against one of us and settled it.
Then, I simply have no clue why Renata said stuff (to me, privately) that she even wanted hide from Captain Methos what items CCRunner was after. I didn't know it was CCRunner at the time and it seems she only talked to me because I already told her and others that I need the stolen item back that CCRunner apparently already, so she had to ask. There's also the matter of tons of unaccounted for items, actions, and so on. The Master Key has gone missing - none of you crew apparently cared enough to ask where it went after Renata took it early on, but at any rate it's not seemed to have been given to or used by anyone clearly Innocent. Our missile systems were brought online by an unknown party, when some people thought that a stolen item was missing as was sonar, but we've not looked into that. Why and how another missing/stolen item showed up, conveniently after we failed to use the Aegis system to actually defend an attack, and on the night rogues could have been all over the ship, is unexplained, as is why Sonar hasn't been repaired either.
So there's a lot of things to be accounted for. I personally have not nor do I continue to see a problem with more transparency in everyone's access and abilities, it would help me and other Innocents and I see no real downsides, at least to talk more than the extremely paltry discussion we have already. And that's especially the case if we don't have Innocent leaders to trust anyway.
Sprig
めんどくさい
Petty officer Earthling, It has been long rumored that brevity is not one of your strong points. My mind is still reeling from our encounter in private and I am just not quite sure what point you are trying to make.
I dislike how you are sowing seeds of doubt about Renata who has done a fine deed of coordinating the repair of this ship. I find it odd that you are advocating transparency when you yourself are not. There is a reason why infomation must not be disclosed, to lay it bare could give advantage to those without good intentions. Already I feel that you might have revealed infomation that should not have been.
But while we are on the subject of revealed infomation. I would be careful about claims of speeding up the ship. Remember what happened last time when we did something similar... thats right we charged forward and suffered an attack without means to defend ourselves.
I don't doubt that the person who repaired the AEGIS defence system was acting in our best interest. I personally would like to thank him and request that he might repair our other defensive system, the Sonar, before any attempt to speed the ship up occurs.
We need to make sure the reward outweighs the risk.
Also, an overloaded reactor would be a very good way for the sabotours to take out the ship. That is one type of explosion that I would not be able to stop. I hope for all our sake that there is some very careful consideration going on.
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As for what to do with murderers, I'd say we make them walk the plank, Darth Caeser, your time has come.
I dislike how you are sowing seeds of doubt about Renata who has done a fine deed of coordinating the repair of this ship. I find it odd that you are advocating transparency when you yourself are not. There is a reason why infomation must not be disclosed, to lay it bare could give advantage to those without good intentions. Already I feel that you might have revealed infomation that should not have been.
But while we are on the subject of revealed infomation. I would be careful about claims of speeding up the ship. Remember what happened last time when we did something similar... thats right we charged forward and suffered an attack without means to defend ourselves.
I don't doubt that the person who repaired the AEGIS defence system was acting in our best interest. I personally would like to thank him and request that he might repair our other defensive system, the Sonar, before any attempt to speed the ship up occurs.
We need to make sure the reward outweighs the risk.
Also, an overloaded reactor would be a very good way for the sabotours to take out the ship. That is one type of explosion that I would not be able to stop. I hope for all our sake that there is some very careful consideration going on.
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As for what to do with murderers, I'd say we make them walk the plank, Darth Caeser, your time has come.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
The files on Darth Ceaser do indicate a mental imbalance or another, and I feel it'd be safer with him gone.
Izipo
Hardcore casual gamer
Well, Earthling made some reasonable points.
I too, find that the top-down approach to the disclose of information is clearly lacking. I am well aware that making some information public may not be the wisest of moves... But a few words from our captain every now and them (apart from votes, that is) would be very beneficial to crew morale.
Same thing for the crates, apart from the first crate, hardly anyone knows what was in the next ones. So, yeah, maybe the contents have been fairly distributed to crewmen with a use for them, but right now I see that all the contents are unaccounted for.
{damn, I'm late for work!}
I too, find that the top-down approach to the disclose of information is clearly lacking. I am well aware that making some information public may not be the wisest of moves... But a few words from our captain every now and them (apart from votes, that is) would be very beneficial to crew morale.
Same thing for the crates, apart from the first crate, hardly anyone knows what was in the next ones. So, yeah, maybe the contents have been fairly distributed to crewmen with a use for them, but right now I see that all the contents are unaccounted for.
{damn, I'm late for work!}
You are the bane of my miserable existence, hon, but I will verify this.
(Darth Caesar)
Now let's kiss an' make up.
And just what in the world are you talking about? Speeding up the ship? Is that what CCRunner claims to do? And you're going to reveal that publicly after you just "complained about things being revealed"?
Regardless, it IS to the benefit of the Innocents to reveal more information. It would help me and would help others, and yes, it may be contradictory to what You asked me in You do realize this has happened several times over already though? We've got no real confirmation of everything in the Crates, even though I don't think that's the biggest problem, but there's clearly important items like the Master Key unaccounted for.
Captain Methos (and possibly Renata, as an extension) got Diamondeye killed entirely unnecessarily, and for a time I was willing to forgive that and see it as a mistake. But Diamondeye was quite clear about some things I'm exactly as clear about from my own personal service and time on this ship under Captain Whitower - the rogues are looking for certain items to take over the ship and its systems. This is definitely confirmed through what Diamondeye said and his own Innocence even if you don't believe me, but again, it's true from what I know as well, so I cannot be more crystal clear on this.
As for Diamondeye, it may seem like he was hastily executed at the last moment but if someone else is at fault it's anything but that. Privately, we had at least two whole days, since the beginning of day two, during which everyone just mentioned KNEW we needed to talk to Diamondeye about why he was searching for items and discuss how to keep things out of the hands of the Rogues. Diamondeye's inventory sheet and ability were an obvious proof of Innocence. Now that all said, it may be Diamondeye's own fault for not revealing those things to anyone at which case he did leave things to the last minute. But I still think the Captain hardly handled the matter properly, and if Diamondeye DID reveal these things to Methos, Renata, or you, sprig, then they just went and backstabbed him entirely.
So now, given that we've known there are rogues after critical items this whole time, we've had several days where CCRunner has been protected and aided in his search for an item that nobody has given any evidence he should have. If you think I'm the Rogue who's after the items, fine, but we have to settle this matter one way or the other. The chances there are additional third parties to be concerned about and CCRunner is also Innocent (given that I know I'm Innocent) are slim, and if everyone involved is Innocent anyway up through Renata and Methos then the Rogues are probably doomed and locked out so it doesn't even matter.
So here's the bottom line, If CCRunner continues to hold onto to the item that belongs to me, then he will die, or I will die and THEN he will die because I'm Innocent and it'll be quite obvious to everyone then. There's no way around it.
Now, there is a solution that involves no one dying in the near future and we can put it into action tonight, and that's for CCRunner to give me the Decryption Key. I can directly prove it enhances my ability to scan compartments for who accsses them, and I don't care if Innocence in the matter would be confirmed as well.
As of now, we have zero things answered for CCRunner and no things unanswered about me or why I need these items.
The Decryption Key's purpose is as a control device for our secure locks on the ship. It's supposed to be used for anything else. It went missing, assumedly stolen, when our security systems were hacked the night Captain Whitower was killed.
I, Katie, need this key to reactivate all of security protocols and verify who's accessing what, like I just said. Currently my ability only allows me to see how many people enter some room, and I don't mind publicly sharing the results to verify that - that would 2 people in the CIC the first night, no one in Navigation the second night, a party on the third night, the system disabled on the fourth, and 1 person in the bridge last night.
Now, as for CCRunner:
1) Why do you have the Decryption Key and what does it do for you? And be specific here, as in your assignment and job on the ship under our standard prior command structure, or why and how you acquired it otherwise. You know as well as I that if you're Innocent you have no reason to lie.
2) Why do you need the Reactor Codes and why didn't you have them in the first place if you are supposed to have them?
and
3) Why does anything need to be done to our Reactor or Engine room anyway? Seems like the first "trap" was meant to just keep people out, and I agree that's a good idea, but it failed and I don't know exactly who is to blame, maybe just choxorn by accident, but that solution already seems foolproof. Keep the compartment locked and trapped and no saboteur or rogue can go and do anything and we'll continue to sail back
Obviously, it would be foolish beyond all hope to allow CCRunner to "test" his ability in any way, but these questions should be answered regardless. We can hardly expect to go give him the Reactor codes, give him access to the Engine room and a free night to do whatever, and just hope it works out. It's clear any saboteur/rogue/whatever is willing to die for their goals and doing something devastating to our perfectly working reactor would surely be worth it to CCRunner if he is one. We couldn't take the risk of finding him just standing there saying "of course I'm guilty, but I just blew up your reactor so what are you going to do about it"
As for whatever else you think is going on, sprig, according to several people the Aegis repairs were done with a missing item required and the same goes for the Sonar. For both systems, there's little excuse why an Innocent who had the item didn't come forward and get them repaired earlier. If this generally isn't the case on how system repairs have been working, someone has been making quite poor judgments to do things like bring the missile systems online unnecessarily.
tl;dr CCRunner is a Rogue with a stolen item and still hasn't explained what he does in any way. He's looking for a second item, the nuclear reactor codes he mentioned, when it's both obvious rogues or saboteurs would be looking for such too, and he's given no reason he doesn't intend to just cripple the reactor and effectively the ship and it's crew.
Regardless, it IS to the benefit of the Innocents to reveal more information. It would help me and would help others, and yes, it may be contradictory to what You asked me in You do realize this has happened several times over already though? We've got no real confirmation of everything in the Crates, even though I don't think that's the biggest problem, but there's clearly important items like the Master Key unaccounted for.
Captain Methos (and possibly Renata, as an extension) got Diamondeye killed entirely unnecessarily, and for a time I was willing to forgive that and see it as a mistake. But Diamondeye was quite clear about some things I'm exactly as clear about from my own personal service and time on this ship under Captain Whitower - the rogues are looking for certain items to take over the ship and its systems. This is definitely confirmed through what Diamondeye said and his own Innocence even if you don't believe me, but again, it's true from what I know as well, so I cannot be more crystal clear on this.
As for Diamondeye, it may seem like he was hastily executed at the last moment but if someone else is at fault it's anything but that. Privately, we had at least two whole days, since the beginning of day two, during which everyone just mentioned KNEW we needed to talk to Diamondeye about why he was searching for items and discuss how to keep things out of the hands of the Rogues. Diamondeye's inventory sheet and ability were an obvious proof of Innocence. Now that all said, it may be Diamondeye's own fault for not revealing those things to anyone at which case he did leave things to the last minute. But I still think the Captain hardly handled the matter properly, and if Diamondeye DID reveal these things to Methos, Renata, or you, sprig, then they just went and backstabbed him entirely.
So now, given that we've known there are rogues after critical items this whole time, we've had several days where CCRunner has been protected and aided in his search for an item that nobody has given any evidence he should have. If you think I'm the Rogue who's after the items, fine, but we have to settle this matter one way or the other. The chances there are additional third parties to be concerned about and CCRunner is also Innocent (given that I know I'm Innocent) are slim, and if everyone involved is Innocent anyway up through Renata and Methos then the Rogues are probably doomed and locked out so it doesn't even matter.
So here's the bottom line, If CCRunner continues to hold onto to the item that belongs to me, then he will die, or I will die and THEN he will die because I'm Innocent and it'll be quite obvious to everyone then. There's no way around it.
Now, there is a solution that involves no one dying in the near future and we can put it into action tonight, and that's for CCRunner to give me the Decryption Key. I can directly prove it enhances my ability to scan compartments for who accsses them, and I don't care if Innocence in the matter would be confirmed as well.
As of now, we have zero things answered for CCRunner and no things unanswered about me or why I need these items.
The Decryption Key's purpose is as a control device for our secure locks on the ship. It's supposed to be used for anything else. It went missing, assumedly stolen, when our security systems were hacked the night Captain Whitower was killed.
I, Katie, need this key to reactivate all of security protocols and verify who's accessing what, like I just said. Currently my ability only allows me to see how many people enter some room, and I don't mind publicly sharing the results to verify that - that would 2 people in the CIC the first night, no one in Navigation the second night, a party on the third night, the system disabled on the fourth, and 1 person in the bridge last night.
Now, as for CCRunner:
1) Why do you have the Decryption Key and what does it do for you? And be specific here, as in your assignment and job on the ship under our standard prior command structure, or why and how you acquired it otherwise. You know as well as I that if you're Innocent you have no reason to lie.
2) Why do you need the Reactor Codes and why didn't you have them in the first place if you are supposed to have them?
and
3) Why does anything need to be done to our Reactor or Engine room anyway? Seems like the first "trap" was meant to just keep people out, and I agree that's a good idea, but it failed and I don't know exactly who is to blame, maybe just choxorn by accident, but that solution already seems foolproof. Keep the compartment locked and trapped and no saboteur or rogue can go and do anything and we'll continue to sail back
Obviously, it would be foolish beyond all hope to allow CCRunner to "test" his ability in any way, but these questions should be answered regardless. We can hardly expect to go give him the Reactor codes, give him access to the Engine room and a free night to do whatever, and just hope it works out. It's clear any saboteur/rogue/whatever is willing to die for their goals and doing something devastating to our perfectly working reactor would surely be worth it to CCRunner if he is one. We couldn't take the risk of finding him just standing there saying "of course I'm guilty, but I just blew up your reactor so what are you going to do about it"
As for whatever else you think is going on, sprig, according to several people the Aegis repairs were done with a missing item required and the same goes for the Sonar. For both systems, there's little excuse why an Innocent who had the item didn't come forward and get them repaired earlier. If this generally isn't the case on how system repairs have been working, someone has been making quite poor judgments to do things like bring the missile systems online unnecessarily.
tl;dr CCRunner is a Rogue with a stolen item and still hasn't explained what he does in any way. He's looking for a second item, the nuclear reactor codes he mentioned, when it's both obvious rogues or saboteurs would be looking for such too, and he's given no reason he doesn't intend to just cripple the reactor and effectively the ship and it's crew.
I meant to quote sprig there, on this:
I'll put the tl;dr here again too.
tl;dr CCRunner is a Rogue with a stolen item and still hasn't explained what he does in any way. He's looking for a second item, the nuclear reactor codes he mentioned, when it's both obvious rogues or saboteurs would be looking for such too, and he's given no reason he doesn't intend to just cripple the reactor and effectively the ship and it's crew
I'll put the tl;dr here again too.
tl;dr CCRunner is a Rogue with a stolen item and still hasn't explained what he does in any way. He's looking for a second item, the nuclear reactor codes he mentioned, when it's both obvious rogues or saboteurs would be looking for such too, and he's given no reason he doesn't intend to just cripple the reactor and effectively the ship and it's crew
Some general notes I would have edited in the above, incomplete sentences. I meant to say about revealing information, that not only have sprig and others been hypocrites (if Innocent, CCRunner and people like sprig have said more than enough to get CCRunner killed) and I meant to say, that in private, sprig told me that nobody has been handing around items without telling the public where they went. This is contradicted by his own explosive which has disappeared, and items like the Master Key and so on, as well as the Crates I mentioned there.
Also, I intended to say in my proposal for tonight that I would be happy for someone to have me followed/scanned/investigated, that also got cut out of our records for some reason. Regardless the same idea is there - I can prove why I need the item and what I can do, and the Decryption Key goes back to me, or CCRunner dies. It doesn't matter if I die as well in the near future, it's far more important that nobody else ever gets to use that item for something bad, and if I do die I expect CCRunner to be killed. Even if I die and he's Innocent too the item still needs to be given to someone who'll never use it and kept out of bad guy hands.
Also, I intended to say in my proposal for tonight that I would be happy for someone to have me followed/scanned/investigated, that also got cut out of our records for some reason. Regardless the same idea is there - I can prove why I need the item and what I can do, and the Decryption Key goes back to me, or CCRunner dies. It doesn't matter if I die as well in the near future, it's far more important that nobody else ever gets to use that item for something bad, and if I do die I expect CCRunner to be killed. Even if I die and he's Innocent too the item still needs to be given to someone who'll never use it and kept out of bad guy hands.
Kennigit
proud 2 boxer
Yeah, pretty evident about Darth Caesar then
Kennigit
proud 2 boxer
Re diamondeye: oh hush up katie! I know girls are talkative, but that's not all there was to the diamondeye situation. Don't try to make it look like it was all the captain's fault.
That is all there was to the Diamondeye situation for everyone who knew anything in advance. At the end of day three, random people may have voted for him for whatever, yes, that's true.
However, Methos, Renata, myself, and I don't know what others directly knew we were talking about why Diamondeye was looking for items several days before that, again. The problem was of course that Diamondeye himself might have been the rogue and everyone had less information or certainty at the time. However he was clearly Innocent and clearly could have proven his Innocence just as well, and Methos etc... did nothing to bring any of that forward.
The fact that Diamondeye seems to be about the one person who could have really helped stopped rogues getting critical items, and was killed by we all know who, and now again we're obviously allowing rogues to go unchecked after items means some traitors have to go.
However, Methos, Renata, myself, and I don't know what others directly knew we were talking about why Diamondeye was looking for items several days before that, again. The problem was of course that Diamondeye himself might have been the rogue and everyone had less information or certainty at the time. However he was clearly Innocent and clearly could have proven his Innocence just as well, and Methos etc... did nothing to bring any of that forward.
The fact that Diamondeye seems to be about the one person who could have really helped stopped rogues getting critical items, and was killed by we all know who, and now again we're obviously allowing rogues to go unchecked after items means some traitors have to go.
