Yeah, this isn't minor. For Penn State, this is staggering. A bowl ban, plus a fine that size, and scholarship losses are worse than just not having a football team.
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Yeah, this isn't minor. For Penn State, this is staggering. A bowl ban, plus a fine that size, and scholarship losses are worse than just not having a football team.
Yes. Craig James, a man who killed five hookers while at SMU, is the perfect person to lead Penn State through this tragedy.
It has never been established that Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU, but even if Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU, it is not likely that Criag James would kill five hookers while at SMU in the near future if he was at Penn State since he would not be at SMU.
Dat be funny. Yep.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
Its a matter of perspective. To me, and this has been my consistent position since this thing began, the students should be protected from this. Beyond that, whatever happens is minor, to me, and generally justifiable. Still, looking at this objectively, PSU has money to burn. They could probably pay that off in a lump sum and throw as much money at the athletic programs as they need. I'm not making any judgement on whether it would be right or wrong to do so, just saying. And, if the athletes aren't allowed to transfer to a B1G school, that isn't "without penalty."
I don't know what you people think of Penn State, but it isn't a person. Penn State is more than just its football team. It has been a top flight educational and research institution for a long time. Sure the football team gets/got all of the attention, but as famous as Joe Paterno is/was, the school is bigger than him, and it will survive him. It will survive Graham Spanier. Pennsylvania is going to pull together and we're going to make this right. We have to be given the chance to do that.
Perhaps Penn State should research the cure to sheltering pedophiles.
MobBoss
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For what? Because I took DT at his initial word concerning the CBS report? Penn State is still going to get hammered by the NCAA, and have to pay out millions upon millions of bucks in lawsuits.
How does all that make you right? Sounds to me like a lot of what you were fearing earlier in the thread is coming true.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
No, because you wanted so bad to throw something in my face and be a prick, but...oops! You wanted to bask in the glow of being able to gloat that my source was wrong, but you celebrated too quickly.
It doesn't. I just heard it from somebody else. It makes them right. In fact, I am wrong, because I assumed that when my source was talking about those other penalties, that they were going to be minor. But, even so, none of what I feared has occurred. It seems as though, for the most part, innocent folks will be spared punishment, which is all I ever wanted.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Like I said, I had no reason to doubt DTs comment now did I?
And yet, I was the guy who said this earlier in the thread:
Glad to see you've come around to that.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
You know, I'm perfectly willing to admit I acted like an idiot, earlier. I had some very real and reasonable fears and some unreasonable ones. I couldn't go anywhere without hearing about this and people saying all sorts of negative things. I saw some guy get his arm ripped halfway off, at work. I was the guy who asked him to come down and work on my machine, so it was a bad week. That's no excuse, but...it just is what it is.
Truth is, as much as you like to berate me (and others), I am a good person who is worthy of trust, which is why I know what I know about what's going on behind the scenes. I caught a lot of heat for what I said, from a lot of you, and I deserved it. My anger wasn't directed at these kids. It was directed at the people who want all of us to burn for this. It was directed at those who hold me personally responsible for this, as though I were in the room with Sandusky, while he did it.
I'm not afraid to admit when I am wrong. I was wrong. You know what that makes me? It makes me a human being. I can accept that. Can you?
MobBoss
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Of course I can. John, nobody wants everyone to burn over this - they want the school to be held accountable for what its employees did and then covered up. And fwiw, I dont see how anyone could hold you personally responsible, nor should they unless you were part of the cover-up itself.
I think the vast majority of the people in this thread tried to be reasonable with you about your comments regarding the victims, and when that didnt produce anything and you continued to defend your remarks, you got more comments directed at you.
Sorry for that horrible accident at work, but at some point you have to have enough wisdom to think perhaps you shouldnt post when your that emotional and maybe not thinking something through all the way - especially in a place like the Tavern.
I think the vast majority of the people in this thread tried to be reasonable with you about your comments regarding the victims, and when that didnt produce anything and you continued to defend your remarks, you got more comments directed at you.
Sorry for that horrible accident at work, but at some point you have to have enough wisdom to think perhaps you shouldnt post when your that emotional and maybe not thinking something through all the way - especially in a place like the Tavern.
Well....I wouldn't be too sure about that. We'll know more in a few hours, but Penn State's Olympic sports are suddenly going to have no budget, and if penn state's football team completely sucks for the next decade, all of those businesses who depend on football in Centre County are going to be losing money. Also, a ton of people are going to be transferring. If there is a bowl ban for longer than 3 years, it would have been better to just get the death penalty.
Welp, here is the full list. It's by far the worst punishment anybody has ever recieved:
Here's the rundown:
■Four-year postseason ban
■$60 million fine
■10 scholarships lost first year, 20 every year after that for four years (more or less an entire roster worth of scholarships)
■Vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011 (meaning Joe Paterno now ranks seventh among all D1 coaches in wins)
■Five years probation
■Penn State players can transfer immediately without penalty
Penn State will also likely be prohibited from playing in the B1G title game for 4 years, although that is hilariously moot, since they are basically going to be a high school team for a few years. It is possible that the Big Ten will also punish them further (including maybe kicking them out).
The money is one thing...the scholarship losses are devistating. It would have been better to get the dealth penalty.
Here's the rundown:
■Four-year postseason ban
■$60 million fine
■10 scholarships lost first year, 20 every year after that for four years (more or less an entire roster worth of scholarships)
■Vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011 (meaning Joe Paterno now ranks seventh among all D1 coaches in wins)
■Five years probation
■Penn State players can transfer immediately without penalty
Penn State will also likely be prohibited from playing in the B1G title game for 4 years, although that is hilariously moot, since they are basically going to be a high school team for a few years. It is possible that the Big Ten will also punish them further (including maybe kicking them out).
The money is one thing...the scholarship losses are devistating. It would have been better to get the dealth penalty.
ParkCungHee
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Well yeah, but quitting the NCAA would be even more disastrous.
In terms of money, a scholarship is worth a little more than the full cost of room and board at Penn State (which is a pretty damn good school) so around 30K I think.
Penn State won't have a football team full of scholarship players until 2018, AT LEAST.
They could leave the NCAA, but as Park said, that would actually cost more money. They would not be able to field any sports teams without being in the NCAA, practically speaking.
madviking
north american scum
Penn State is pretty much a smoldering hole in the ground now.
Good. They* should be.
I only wish Paterno had lived long enough to see these results of his decisions.
EDIT: *I only intend this to mean the people who were part of the cover-up, and the institutional mindset that causes a stupid game to take priority over other aspects of university life.
Bobby Bowden woke up today and smirked. You know he did.
