Pardon for Alan Turing?

[Miles Teg]

Damn, thirty votes, and everyone of them a yesser. I've never seen Civfanatics go unanimous like that.

Count me among the thirty. This is the most overdue pardon since the Vatican apologized to Galileo.

 

[Dachs]

This is the most overdue pardon since the Vatican apologized to Galileo.

Far more overdue than that.

 

[Winner]

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/pardon+for+enigma+codebreaker+alan+turing/3315187


Alan Turing did more than almost anyone to win World War 2, and his contributions to mathematics, computer science and artificial intelligence are surely even more important. Despite this, as a homosexual, Turing was chemically castrated with estrogen by the British authorities, which caused him to start growing breasts. The US government also denied him entry due to his conviction for homosexuality. Two years after the conviction he committed suicide by poisoning himself with cyanide.

Should he be given a pardon?

I didn't know that - truly shocking Britain won the war, but Nazi methods survived there I see.

 

[Dumanios]

Alan should have been a hero,not a zero.

 

[Miles Teg]

Far more overdue than that.

Well, Galileo kind of brought things upon himself (seriously, taking the Pope's arguments are putting them in the mouth of a character called "Simplicio"?) but he had a far longer wait than Alan has had.

 

[West 36]

I can't make myself vote yes, because I can't help but feel that a pardon isn't the best way to correct the immense wrongs done not only to him, but to anyone else prosecuted for being gay.

 

[Cutlass]

Damn, thirty votes, and everyone of them a yesser. I've never seen Civfanatics go unanimous like that.

Count me among the thirty. This is the most overdue pardon since the Vatican apologized to Galileo.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=312926 This one went a pretty well one sided for a good amount of time.

 

[Narz]

I think this is the first unanimous poll result (with more than 5 or 6 votes) I've seen in over seven years on this site!

Clearly Alan was terribly abused by the authorities & the poor SOB deserves much more than an apology, unfortunately it's a bit too late for him but governments admitting what they did was wrong (even far too late) is always a good thing!

 

[bob bobato]

A pardon is not enough when considering the injustice commited here by the authorities. There should also be a public apology by the government - and not only concerning Turing but also the others victims.

It's easy to apologize for actions you did not do and would not support.

 

[negZero]

Damn, thirty votes, and everyone of them a yesser. I've never seen Civfanatics go unanimous like that.

And you never will, I step in to fix that. But really he should get his pardon and statue, your not a great Briton till you get a statue and maybe a square to.

 

[Miles Teg]

And you never will, I step in to fix that. But really he should get his pardon and statue, your not a great Briton till you get a statue and maybe a square to.

You do realize that screwing with a poll for no reason simply emphasizes your own juvenility, right?

 

[choxorn]

So what if you voted No on the poll? You still think yes is the right answer, so it's still unanimous.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

And you never will, I step in to fix that.

Go back to /b/.

 

[Defiant47]

Well, there's nothing to pardon him for. He didn't do anything wrong. Like Luiz said, the government should be the ones asking to be pardoned.

Exactly for this technicality, I believe the right answer to your question is "No". But I don't feel like voting right now.

 

[capslock]

If being gay is decriminalized, isn't the conviction wiped clean? What is there to pardon?

 

[choxorn]

Pardoning/Apologizing for this symbolic, not meaningful to Turing himself. It's like the Vatican apologizing for their prosecution of Galileo. It doesn't change or really mean anything, but it shows that they know it was wrong.

 

[Dachs]

It's like the Vatican apologizing for their prosecution of Galileo. It doesn't change or really mean anything, but it shows that they know it was wrong.

So, ah, what did the Vatican do wrong vis-a-vis Galileo?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Accused him of heresey and put him under house arrest for years I think.

 

[Mise]

Pardoning/Apologizing for this symbolic, not meaningful to Turing himself. It's like the Vatican apologizing for their prosecution of Galileo. It doesn't change or really mean anything, but it shows that they know it was wrong.

Pardoning implies guilt though. An apology would be better. They're not the same thing, IMO.

 

[Masada]

Tasmania is a country now?

Australia is an island continent. Not an island continent + 1.

Anyway, just send all those Sydney drag queens to Hobart as goodwill abassadors. Or the revenge of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. That'll teach them.

They already have fairy penguins which can't be called fairy penguins anymore. I'm not sure if the gay community had anything to do with it when you take into account Tasmania's homophobia.