Plan for Mosque III...

[MobBoss]

I'm glad you understand that a majority being in favour of something is irrelevant to the issue.

Only the CFC majority. Since, nationally, we as citizens indirectly affect the law and consitution by virtue of being able to vote, the majority there is more than a bit relevant.

Nice try at twisting my comment, but I am up to the task of clarifying it.

 

[useless]

a majority were in favour of restricting black rights, back in the day i guess their opposition was valid!

 

[Murky]

You know all this opposition to having a Muslim cultural center 2 blocks away from ground-zero only feeds into the conception that Americans are against Islam. Freedom of religion is one of the founding principles of our country. I'm sure that the terrorist hate the idea too because it would mean that we accept Muslims into our culture and the we could get along well enough if we tried. Islamic extremist don't want Americans playing nice with regular Muslims. They would lose their biggest recruiting tool, a common enemy which they all must fight to bitter end. So ya, I have no problem with Muslims putting their YMCA a few blocks away from the site of a terrorist attack. It would help in the fight against extremism and bring our cultures closer together.

 

[useless]

"These CFC liberals..." Seriously, you sound like a broken record.

 

[MobBoss]

a majority were in favour of restricting black rights, back in the day i guess their opposition was valid!

Valid enough for the civil war apparently. You realize of course that valid doesnt necessarily mean correct.

 

[useless]

You know all this opposition to having a Muslim cultural center 2 blocks away from ground-zero only feeds into the conception that Americans are against Islam. Freedom of religion is one of the founding principles of our country. I'm sure that the terrorist hate the idea too because it would mean that we accept Muslims into our culture and the we could get along well enough if we tried. Islamic extremist don't want Americans playing nice with regular Muslims. They would lose their biggest recruiting tool, a common enemy which they all must fight to bitter end. So ya, I have no problem with Muslims putting their YMCA a few blocks away from the site of a terrorist attack. It would help in the fight against extremism and bring our cultures closer together.

NO! It is offensive to the (Non muslim) victims who died!

 

[MobBoss]

"These CFC liberals..." Seriously, you sound like a broken record.

I didnt say 'cfc liberals'....those are your words.....I said the CFC majority...

Perhaps your're hearing the subliminal recording on the record maybe?

 

[Cu Chulainn]

Its a mosque, and I am against it because it does exactly the opposite of what it is proposed to do. i.e. build peace.

If you had no idea what anyone else thought about it, what would your opinion be?

 

[useless]

Valid enough for the civil war apparently. You realize of course that valid doesnt necessarily mean correct.

Strangely you don't seem to apply this to the opposition...

 

[Cutlass]

Its a mosque, and I am against it because it does exactly the opposite of what it is proposed to do. i.e. build peace.

Opposing the mosque builds war. So if we have a no win situation on that point, why don't you just get out of the Constitution's way?

 

[Shekwan]

Can someone please sum up for me why this issue warrants three threads?

Is there anything to the anti-mosque side other than xenophobic fearmongering (at worst) or misguided "patriotism" (at best)?

 

[JollyRoger]

Its a mosque, and I am against it because it does exactly the opposite of what it is proposed to do. i.e. build peace.

So it is an act of war? Like that event 9 years ago?

 

[Camikaze]

Only the CFC majority. Since, nationally, we as citizens indirectly affect the law and consitution by virtue of being able to vote, the majority there is more than a bit relevant.

Nice try at twisting my comment, but I am up to the task of clarifying it.

Would I be right in saying that your objection is based solely on the fact that it is opposed by a majority (according to whatever it is you're citing)?

So would I be right in thinking that you would advocate a system under which each issue was decided entirely upon the basis of public opinion?

 

[useless]

I didnt say 'cfc liberals'....those are your words.....I said the CFC majority...

Perhaps your're hearing the subliminal recording on the record maybe?

Which you imply to be liberal, unless you think we are too stupid to get what "you are saying"

 

[MobBoss]

If you had no idea what anyone else thought about it, what would your opinion be?

Already given several times.

Once again. I wouldnt think it a good idea simply because its going to be precisely controversial, and controversy isnt going to help muslim/non-muslim relations right now.

Its not just about 9/11. Both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are ongoing, and the nation has had several attempted but unsuccessful terrorist attacks since 9/11. This issue hasnt had the chance to die down and go away, and this is simply continuing to excerbate the situation even further.

Which you imply to be liberal, unless you think we are too stupid to get what "you are saying"

I didnt imply anything. Your doing that all by yourself.

 

[Murky]

NO! It is offensive to the (Non muslim) victims who died!

How so? Since when are the dead offended? Maybe the victims families might have some objections, but the victims themselves probably don't care.

 

[flamingzaroc121]

How so? Since when are the dead offended? Maybe the victims families might have some objections, but the victims themselves probably don't care.

Well that's one of the positions the oppositions is taking. And you hit the nail on the head...it makes no sense

 

[MobBoss]

Opposing the mosque builds war.

Rofl. No it doesnt. Give me a break.

So if we have a no win situation on that point, why don't you just get out of the Constitution's way?

I am not in the consitutions way. Freedom of speech and all that.

 

[useless]

Can someone please sum up for me why this issue warrants three threads?

Is there anything to the anti-mosque side other than xenophobic fearmongering (at worst) or misguided "patriotism" (at best)?

The GOP, Tea party, Palin and the usual suspects have all jumped on the band wagon, so no. Not really.

 

[dwaxe]

Well, if both sides are doing something perfectly legal.... ~ Mobboss

Mobboss, if you think the only thing you and other mosque-opponents can affect is their funding, then you should admit that your crusade is pointless. You concede that the legality of the mosque's construction is insurmountable. You concede that the builder of the mosque must be allowed to exercise their fundamental rights if they can. You concede that all mosque-opponents can do is verbal protestation.

You say the Islamic center is a threat to peace. I have yet to see any tangible evidence that this threat goes beyond what the media-generated controversy threatens, i.e., a load of political bull fodder.

No matter how much noise the opponents make, they're not going to make the groups who fund the building walk away. Rather, it is you and the opponents of the mosque who will walk away and look like a bunch of whiny kindergarten kids when you're done.

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