Plan for Mosque III...

[Ajidica]

Yeah, the Imam is a sufi.

 

[Newbunkle]

Sorry guys, but the protesters have swung me over to their side with their sound logic and completely non-bigoted reasons for opposing the mosque. Its obvious to me now that since these guys are muslims that they should be held accountable for the actions of extremists who happen to share their faith. Allowing people who have lived and worked in the area for years to build themselves a place to practice their religion and engage with the wider community will only allow them to infiltrate more easily. They're obviously all terrorists and deserve to be ostracized and isolated, and perhaps even driven from the sacred ground entirely. Otherwise they might train suicide bombers to kill children. Won't you think of the children?

 

[Birdjaguar]

Then I would fear not. Perhaps they will have whirling dances there.

The origin and roots of Sufism lie in the life and practices of the Prophet of Islam and the Qur’an. Sufism espouses a well-founded and thoroughgoing interpretation of Islam, which focuses on love, tolerance, worship of God, community development, and personal development through self-discipline and responsibility. A Sufi’s way of life is to love and be of service to people, deserting the ego or false self and all illusion so that one can reach maturity and perfection, and finally reach Allah, the True, the Real.

Link to video.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Sorry guys, but the protesters have swung me over to their side with their sound logic and completely non-bigoted reasons for opposing the mosque. Its obvious to me now that since these guys are muslims that they should be held accountable for the actions of extremists who happen to share their faith. Allowing people who have lived and worked in the area for years to build themselves a place to practice their religion and engage with the wider community will only allow them to infiltrate more easily. They're obviously all terrorists and deserve to be ostracized and isolated, and perhaps even driven from the sacred ground entirely. Otherwise they might train suicide bombers to kill children. Won't you think of the children?

To live in fear and pain of the past is to cut your own life short. If it were a person who had been brutally murdered ten years ago, everyone would be encouraging the family to move on and build a future worth living than to dwell on the unkindnesses of the past.

 

[CaptainF]

The mosque site isn´t even visible from ground zero, it´s two blocks away, which in NYC is a large distance.

But no, don´t tell that to the ignorant masses, sez Mobby. It would hurt their dear, ignorant little hearts.

Are you kidding me? Since when has it been acceptable in this country to coddle people´s irrational and baseless fears?

Oh well, guess the terrorists have won afterall. America is a nation of cowards, and Mobby appears to want to support their cowardice.

 

[Newbunkle]

To live in fear and pain of the past is to cut your own life short. If it were a person who had been brutally murdered ten years ago, everyone would be encouraging the family to move on and build a future worth living than to dwell on the unkindnesses of the past.

Yeah, I was just kidding. Someone would have to be really dumb to think the protesters have a legitimate case.

 

[Puck Nutty]

The mosque site isn´t even visible from ground zero, it´s two blocks away, which in NYC is a large distance.

But no, don´t tell that to the ignorant masses, sez Mobby. It would hurt their dear, ignorant little hearts.

Are you kidding me? Since when has it been acceptable in this country to coddle people´s irrational and baseless fears?

Oh well, guess the terrorists have won afterall. America is a nation of cowards, and Mobby appears to want to support their cowardice.

Especially considering that a building just like the one being proposed already exists just 4 blocks north of the WTC. I've broached this point twice during this discussion, but the anti's don't seem to want to address it. I wonder why?

 

[Forty-Two]

You can't even see the Mosque from ground zero. If there are no legal cases preventing this mosque, then I say build it.

 

[Cutlass]

And here I thought sufis were pacifists.

Move goal posts much? If you gave a damn about the war on terror, which you clearly do not, you would know that what encourages people to join the terrorists is the perception, fueled by you, that America is at war with Islam.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I think it's best for everyone if we just humour Mobby's posts and pretend to agree with him. He'll be freaked out by that.

Actually, I have shown you several times that a majority of democrats, independants and republicans all think this is a bad idea and oppose it.

So its a tad bit more than your 'usual suspects'.

Again, it seems like your in denial on the amount of bipartisan support opposition has.

You are so correct it's like Captain Correct met Colonel Common Sense and high-fived each other, whilst being watched by General Yes-Man.

 

[nonconformist]

 

[caketastydelish]

Wow, this argument still going?

Surely, surely, it isn't that hard to grasp this issue (and it really shouldn't even be that).

Without reading both this and the last thread, I assume the argument has followed the same circular pattern of:
Point 1:
Opposers of the mosque: Building the mosque is insensitive!
Supporters of the mosque: How is it insensitive to build a mosque?

Point 2:
O: It's okay to build a mosque, just insensitive to build it near Ground Zero!
S: How is it insensitive to build it near Ground Zero?

Point 3:
O: Because 9/11 was committed by Muslims!
S: Yeah, but not these Muslims.

Point 4:
O: It doesn't matter if these Muslims committed 9/11, the two are inextricably linked!
S: How are the two any more inextricably linked than the actions of nutcase murderous Christians who use their religion to justify their bloodlust?

Point 5:
O: Because Christianity has many different branches, and the murderous ones are in no way linked to the rest!
S: Islam is also a highly diversified religion. Those wanting to build the mosque have and had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

Point 6:
O: But Islam is inextricably linked to 9/11, so it's insensitive!

And so we are back to Point 1.

Now, no single one of those six points that the 'O' side use is correct. Point 1 ignores the fact that religious freedom is more important than people's sensibilities. In fact, making sensible decisions is more important than pandering to the foolish whims of others. For instance, if the government wanted to make it illegal to kill people, in a hypothetical world where killing people was legal, and most people were against that, and found the idea of such a restriction offensive, then it would still be the right decision to ban the killing of people. That is a pretty basic concept that seems to be completely be missed by the 'O' side. Point 2 continues this mistake.

Point 3, 4 & 5 ignore the painfully obvious fact that not all Muslims are responsible for 9/11. There really should be no need to explain why this is the case, so I won't bother going into it.

And Point 6, again, just brings us back to where we were started.

I assume this is what has happened, with a bit of variation every now and then.

It's a crying shame that this post is obviously biased towards one side, because other than that it's a great post.

 

[cardgame]

It's a crying shame that if I posted that the sky is blue, and here's why all your counterarguments fail, it would be considered biased.

 

[Leonel]

It's a crying shame that if I posted that the sky is blue, and here's why all your counterarguments fail, it would be considered biased.

There you go again with your LIBERAL SCIENCE DEGREES from BERKLEY forcing your liberal agenda upon America!

 

[ParkCungHee]

Once again, Cracked demonstrates itself to be America's finest periodical.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reasons-the-ground-zero-mosque-debate-makes-no-sense/

 

[Ajidica]

It is sad when an avowed comedy website is more sensible than one certain news-agency that proclaims itself to be 'fair and balences' while being owned by satans minion.

 

[JollyRoger]

Why are they putting the community center in that crowded area when there appears to be some vacant land available not too far away?

 

[Theige]

I think, at this point, we really need to start focusing on why Rupert Murdoch hasn't even attempted to deny he is the spawn of Satan.

All it would take is for him to produce some sort of birth certificate.

 

[flamingzaroc121]

He was born in Kenya duh

 

[Ajidica]

On the subject, nobody has asked Palin for her birth certificate. We have to make sure she wan't born in Russia. After all, she hasn't denyed that. For all we know she is a Soviet sleeper agent seeking to create a society that is the perfect breeding ground for a resurgance of Bolshevism and Marxism-Leninism.