Plan for Mosque III...

[imperialman]

The fact this story reached 3 threads is pretty pathetic in itself.

Could not agree more... I find it a little strange that citizens of one of many lands that support religious freedom care that a community centre which will have Muslim prayer areas/rooms whatever will be created. Some Muslims brought down the towers thus Muslims shouldn't have religious freedom near that area? Outstanding logic.

 

[dwaxe]

America needs a giant DGAF session concerning this issue.

 

[nonconformist]

Isn't there a paedophile on the loose, or some senator's snorting coke and embezzling funds, or, you know, a war going on which could get you all FURIOUS AND FROTHING AT THE MOUTH instead?

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Mobboss, considering the recent controversy surrounding mosques being built around the United States (including the infamous one here in my hometown of Murfreesboro, TN), and your logic that the opposition in the community is reason enough that they shouldn't be built, let's say that communities around the United States all start raising opposition to mosques in their communities. What would your reaction be?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Isn't there a paedophile on the loose, or some senator's snorting coke and embezzling funds, or, you know, a war going on which could get you all FURIOUS AND FROTHING AT THE MOUTH instead?

Well, there is always a war going on somewhere, and criminals abounding, but there is time enough in the day to worry about lots of stuff, and as humans, we will.

 

[Cutlass]

Heard on NPR this morning: If you love bin Laden, you oppose the mosque. If you hate bin Laden, you support the mosque. Sums it up pretty effectively.

 

[useless]

No bigotry here!

 

[JerichoHill]

Well, I dont know how long they can hang onto the property without funding. If they cant secure funding, they may have to give it up.



It also gurantees freedom of speech.

Argument continues.

No. It ends. You can say "They should not have a mosque there" Fine. That is protected. However, the law of the land clearly supports the legal right to build the mosque there.

Ergo, no matter how much you want to complain about the heat, it does nothing to alter the fact that it is indeed, hot.

 

[Newbunkle]

I guess the ignorant protesters will just have to get over it.

 

[imperialman]

Didn't Olbermann say "In America when somebody comes for your neighbor or his Bible or his Torah or his atheist manifesto or his Koran, you and I do what our fathers did and our grandmothers did and our founders did. You speak up."

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Someone did, I have seen it here and in a bunch of Facebook stati; it may have been misattributed, or it may really have been him.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

i don't know, that last part sounds very close to a directive, which the FCC isn't too fond of being broadcast over airwaves. could be wrong, but i don't think he could say that on air...

 

[MobBoss]

That point has been made by several people. And ignored by even more.

And here I thought lawful dissent and freedom of speech something you advocate.

Except when its the other side doing it apparently.

No. It ends. You can say "They should not have a mosque there" Fine. That is protected. However, the law of the land clearly supports the legal right to build the mosque there.

Ergo, no matter how much you want to complain about the heat, it does nothing to alter the fact that it is indeed, hot.

Except we are not talking about something as immutable as the weather. The weather cant be convinced by dissenting opinion....people can.

Mobboss, considering the recent controversy surrounding mosques being built around the United States (including the infamous one here in my hometown of Murfreesboro, TN), and your logic that the opposition in the community is reason enough that they shouldn't be built, let's say that communities around the United States all start raising opposition to mosques in their communities. What would your reaction be?

It would be 'I told you so'.

I remind you, I have said for awhile now that the plans for this mosque arent improving muslim/non-muslim relations. What you describe would simply be a vindcation that I was correct in my opinion.

 

[BSmith1068]

Didn't Olbermann say "In America when somebody comes for your neighbor or his Bible or his Torah or his atheist manifesto or his Koran, you and I do what our fathers did and our grandmothers did and our founders did. You speak up."

Someone did, I have seen it here and in a bunch of Facebook stati; it may have been misattributed, or it may really have been him.

Yes. Olbermann did:


Link to video.

 

[El_Machinae]

Man, I have a great distaste for Islam. I really don't like it, and am probably quite biased against Muslims (though I obviously try not to be). And I cannot lend any credence to the objections to the building. Even if it were a full blown mosque, I wouldn't care.

Come, build mosques. Move in. Welcome to the neighborhood. Bring your people. Bring your culture. Welcome to the best melting pot on the planet. Or, at least it used to be.
Sheesh. We're a free liberal society: you cannot protect a free liberal society by whenever a church goes up. Or a community center. Or whatever.

If you want to defang Islam, just help encourage critical thinking and proper historical knowledge. You can't outmilitant a militant religion, you're going to fail. All you can do is culturally outcompete it.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

And here I thought lawful dissent and freedom of speech something you advocate.

Except when its the other side doing it apparently.

Now what makes you think he is opposed to what people are saying? Neither he nor anyone else want to silence the dissidents, rather to show them they are wrong and prevent them from preventing the building of the mosque.

Except we are not talking about something as immutable as the weather. The weather cant be convinced by dissenting opinion....people can.

Well, and that is the problem . . . dissenting opinion may have a bigger impact than it should.

 

[BSmith1068]

Except we are not talking about something as immutable as the weather. The weather cant be convinced by dissenting opinion....people can.

So you do admit to wanting to deny them their right to freely practice their religion – if only though public pressure/dissent.

Glad we cleared that up.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

So you do admit to wanting to deny them their right to freely practice their religion – if only though public pressure/dissent.

Glad we cleared that up.

If you merely pressure someone into something, rather than forcing them, you can claim that you didn't deny them their rights, as it was "their" decision.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

It would be 'I told you so'.

I remind you, I have said for awhile now that the plans for this mosque arent improving muslim/non-muslim relations. What you describe would simply be a vindcation that I was correct in my opinion.

Zooming out from the Manhattan mosque, I assume then that you would support opposition to mosques anywhere in the United States if the community was against it?

 

[MobBoss]

Or eighteen.

We are a nation of well over 300 million people with untold thousands of communities. 18 incidents out of literally tens if not hundreds of thousands isnt exatly proof of anything.