nonconformist
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The fact this story reached 3 threads is pretty pathetic in itself.
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So we all agree that opposing the mosque is irrational then? It only took what, 3,000 posts?
Also Mobby my wife is a social worker as well. She too deals with irrational and mentally ill people all day*. What no mental health professional ever does, however, is lend credence to their irrational behavior by giving in to it or acceding to their demands. On the contrary, actually.
*and then she goes to work. BA DUM *TISH
Also Mobby my wife is a social worker as well. She too deals with irrational and mentally ill people all day*. What no mental health professional ever does, however, is lend credence to their irrational behavior by giving in to it or acceding to their demands. On the contrary, actually.
*and then she goes to work. BA DUM *TISH
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Please dont take my comments out of context. They arent incorrec to voice their opinion, and they have every right to do so. They would be incorrect to use violence, or other illegal means of course. But its not incorrect to simply voice their opposition.
There are many mosques in the greater NYC area. Its not like they are being denied permission to build mosques in the area.
Peope tend to get even more frustrated if they are being ignored. As a mod I would think you might have a bit of apprecation for that.
No, "they" are just being protested across the country wherever they try to build.
Like, say, moderate Muslims?
Great, but after they have voiced it, so what? You are saying that not only should they be allowed to voice their opinion, but that their opinion should be followed. If this were simply a matter of, "can people complain?", we would all be in agreement. But you are also saying that the people building this "should" do what the complainers want them to do.
Peope tend to get even more frustrated if they are being ignored. As a mod I would think you might have a bit of apprecation for that.
I know people get frustrated when they are ignored - but if it is in a matter over which they have no inherent say, I can live with that . . .
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Well, in all honesty, there is going to be irrationality on both sides here because its an emotional issue for both.
While true, you dont excerbate it either. For example, if a kid is throwing a fit to not do their chores, you dont make them do their chores even while not giving in to their emotions.
I guess a good analogy here would be to just stop progress on the mosque while not building elsewhere to wait it out and let things die down. That would be a valid course of action by the builders in my opinion - not giving in to the opposition, but not making it worse either.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Thats simply an huge over-exaggeration. While there might be one or two incidents of that nationally, its by no means some big issue across the nation. Dont over-hype it.
Since construction probably wasn't going to start anytime soon anyways (these things take time), that will probably be what happens . . .
JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
How is this now on thread three.
The constitution guarantees freedom of religion. It guarantees private property rights. Argument closed.
The constitution guarantees freedom of religion. It guarantees private property rights. Argument closed.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Well, I dont know how long they can hang onto the property without funding. If they cant secure funding, they may have to give it up.
It also gurantees freedom of speech.
Argument continues.
Sounds like a concern troll?
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
The only ones trying to force something are those against the project.
I was quite tempted to make this same joke, albeit in a slightly different direction.
trader/warrior
Deity
Heh, the closest mosque in the area, the one 4 blocks from WTC, is in rough times it seems. They are in a temporary run down facility that doesn't have nearly enough space for all the worshippers. In fact many of them have to pray in the street outside.
So I guess the choice is between building the mosque, or having hundreds of muslims praying collectively 5 times a day openly in the streets around ground zero.
So I guess the choice is between building the mosque, or having hundreds of muslims praying collectively 5 times a day openly in the streets around ground zero.
I wonder if that is enough to make a trend?
Cu Chulainn
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Say you had no idea what anyone else on the planet thought about this. What would your opinion be, and why?
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
I disagree. That is the inherent beauty of free speech. You must let the intolerant express themselves on such issues to diminish their own power. If you don't they will simply use other excuses to oppose basic human rights issues such as this, which gives them the illusion of being much more "fair and balanced" than they really are.
It also gurantees freedom of speech.
Argument continues.
No one is denying that anyone has freedom of speech - but the right to say whatever you want doesn't lead to the right to have whatever you say turn into action. That's not in the Constitution . . .
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