Possible new leader for each civ

[dragodon64]

And under Victoria that England/Britain had its greatest power, yet in the game it is reffered to as England, not Britain.

 

[Quildavyr]

I would not consider that spam, as it is creative and constructive writing in here, as well as intelligent and local views on a discussion regarding Ottomans/Turkey.

I would consider this spam.

I got it now.Thanks for your help.


IMHO there is someone can be added to the game as an Arabic Leader.Tarık bin Ziyad

 

[BeyondCivilized]

If you get backstabbed,you would probably not like the backstabber.Arabs did it twice.(First Lawrence thing,second the Kurd Sheik revolt supported by Arabs,and this Revolt costed Turkey actually Mousul.The Oil too )
Arabs did not followed the Sultans Call(Caliph) for Jihad.

That's what we get for trusting France and Britain, we had to backstab our culture and religion brothers for the "superior Arab nationalism". And then we got backstabbed ourselves by France who wanted to make an Algeria out of the Lebanese and the Syrians, and Great Britain brought us lovely Israel.

Just because the Qur'an was sent to the Prophet in Arabic does not mean the Arabs are superior and divine being, the whole reason behind the Arabic of the Quran is to hold the Arabs responsible for spreading Islam. Not to betray ourselves! What did we get? Borders! The Arab world is separated into borders and we're fighting over the most pitiful of thing with direct control from the outside. Shias and Sunnis have never fought since the death of Ali... The Lebanese hate the Syrians (Their own blood) and compare Syria to Israel (The country that actually caused the death of thousands of them). The situation is simply pitiful, I do not expect that we will be able to stand up for ourselves (Diplomatically, not militarily of course) for another century (Or perhaps even more). The Arab League is a joke.

About the Arab Nationalist Pride in Turkey;I am not a nationalist and not an easterner too.I cant say something about the Arabic origin pride.But we have schools with the primary foreign language Arabic.We dont dislike Arabs.Almost the half of our women wears Turban.Arabic culture is not died here.

Heh I fail at making sense. I didn't mean to say that the Arabs hate the Turks, they just hate Ataturk, after the Arabs broke "free" from the Ottoman empire, lead by Shareef Hussein (the fool IMO), they realized how much they actually lost. I can confirm that the Sunni Arabs consider themselves to be one with the Turks, and the Shiite Arabs do the same to the Persians. On the other hand, the Christian Arabs hate your guts ever since the "Motsarefeya" (I don't know what it's called in English) and also probably due to some influence by the Armenian immigrants. Now when I talk about Muslims, I don't mean extremists! I mean both the Religious and the Secularists.

Heh since you have lead us Lebanese for a long time (Not occupied). We do still retain some Turkish words that we use in our daily basis without most of us realizing their true origin. Such as the word room, I was wondering why the whole word seem to change when studying official Arabic from local dialect.

Writing in Latin Alphabets

<- This emoticon is coming from someone who can't type in Arabic, and can barely write an essay in Arabic lol (I blame it on our education system though), heh not to mention the heavy use of Arablish (Chat Language) My culture is dying... If it was in Civ, the Arab cities would probably flip...

And Hagia Sophias minaretts dont look good.

Mehmet II or "MUHAMED AL FATEH" is considered a legendary hero amongst us, you know because the Prophet foretold the conquering of Constantinople and called the Conquering leader the best of the best. All that was almost 500 years before the event.

Turning into a museum not a bad thing.

Surprisingly, I agree with you on this one, I also wish the could turn those Cordoba Churches that used to be Mosques into Museum. Maybe peace between religions will foment if Christians and Muslims respected each others more.

We have an enourmous number by building Mosques after all.Fatih Mosque(Tomb of Mehmet 2 and Justinians too are there),Süleymaniye Mosque(Tomb of Suleiman is there) are much greater temples than Hagia Sophia.

I guess I should be paying another visit to Istanbul, the reason why I play Civ games is because I admire Culture, whether it's foreign or local (In this case it's local )

And I am sorry for spamming this topic.

The mod's vicious eyes are on me since the day I joined this forum, save yourself!

 

[Quildavyr]

That's what we get for trusting France and Britain, we had to backstab our culture and religion brothers for the "superior Arab nationalism". And then we got backstabbed ourselves by France who wanted to make an Algeria out of the Lebanese and the Syrians, and Great Britain brought us lovely Israel.

In the past Arabs made mistakes.We made mistakes.And Politics.We care about our brothers and sisters,but our government is bullsh.t!We have one of the best armies in the world,but we cant defend ourselves truly.If we get someone bold after the next election,we will fix the eastern problem.

Heh since you have lead us Lebanese for a long time (Not occupied). We do still retain some Turkish words that we use in our daily basis without most of us realizing their true origin. Such as the word room, I was wondering why the whole word seem to change when studying official Arabic from local dialect.

We got the same thing."Salem Aleikum,Dunya" etc..

Mehmet II or "MUHAMED AL FATEH" is considered a legendary hero amongst us, you know because the Prophet foretold the conquering of Constantinople and called the Conquering leader the best of the best. All that was almost 500 years before the event.

I know about it.And in Istanbul there is a Turbe for Eyüp Sultan.(Ayyub?)The tomb of an Arab,who was there,when Arabs tried to conquer Istanbul.Mehmet 's Lala(Teacher) has dreamed about and Mehmet ordered to build there Mosque and Turbe.

I guess I should be paying another visit to Istanbul, the reason why I play Civ games is because I admire Culture, whether it's foreign or local (In this case it's local )

You are welcome!

 

[Zongo]

On nationalism and churches as museums. If you are interested, read on.

Spoiler :

[...] we had to backstab our culture and religion brothers for the "superior Arab nationalism".

Nationalism is bad everywhere, but almost everybody bought the product at some time, like cigarettes.
Granted, it was invented in Europe in its modern form, but:
1) we paid the price ourselves, with 2 world wars which destroyed the continent and shed something like 90.000.000 corpses (I and II).
2) you bought it yourselves out of your own free will...

We now have something called the European Union, whose first aim was to make such a catastrophe impossible, and which eventually (IMHO) will become a second home for Turkey, too. It IS a boring and painstaking process of unification, where everybody annoys somebody else in endless meetings, but I am personally thankful for that - no more such "interesting times" like the XXth century, please.

I hope everybody else could learn from our mistakes and grab the fruits of enlightenment without paying the price of nationalistic, ideological massacres. Unfortunately, it does not always happen. I keep hoping.

Surprisingly, I agree with you on this one, I also wish the could turn those Cordoba Churches that used to be Mosques into Museum. Maybe peace between religions will foment if Christians and Muslims respected each others more.

Since the end of the local Caliphate, the Mezquita in Cordoba has been a christian cathedral. There are a couple of interesting things to consider: first, had the "conversion" of the building not taken place, it would have most likely been destroyed during the worst Inquisition years. Second, the mosque was so large that a small cathedral nave bas built WITHIN IT, precisely in the middle, leaving the rest of the structure more or less intact.

Turism is allowed, as in the many christian religious sites and annexes. Having no bans on any form of art means that a huge chunk of european art is in churches or meant to be played in churches, so they are open to everyone out of cultural, not religious-only, importance. They are often used as concert halls for religious music. For instance, just yesterday I attended to a (powerful) performance of Mendelsshon's oratorio "Elijah", performed in a church.
In some sense, most christian churches already double as museums.

Sadly, in the Mezquita you have to pay and entrance fee. The only place you can visit for free is the cathedral nave, during mass on Sunday morning...
AFAIK, the muslim minority in Cordoba has recently asked permission to use a corner of the enveloping mosque structure as a functional prayer ground once again - so far without success.

I guess I should be paying another visit to Istanbul

I still have to pay my first... looking forward to it
I had this dream of going there on the very first day the Euro would become the country's legal currency, too.

 

[aronnax]

I had a weird dream once where the Royal Families of Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, UAE, Qatar and Bahairn were intermarried and the thrones were united under one rule. They went on to annex Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt and for the first time Israel in 60 years was surrounded by a unified islamic power

It was very weird and freaky and i dreamt I read all of this on a wikipedia page about 3 months back.

 

[dragodon64]

Phew! Afraid I was the only one here with bizarre pseudo-realistic, pseudo-historical dreams!

 

[Depravo]

I foresaw the breakup of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union in a dream at the tender age of 8. That was 1988.

 

[Nerowannabe]

I've left the ones I agree with:

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America: Thomas Jefferson

Babylon: Nebuchadrezzar II

Byzantium: Theodora

Carthage: Dido

Egypt: Khufu

England: Richard I

France: Joan of Arc

Germany: Frederick Barbarossa

Greece: Leonidas

Holy Rome: Maria Theresa and Charles V

Japan: Meiji

Khmer: Jayavarman VII

Native America: Hiawatha

Netherlands: Wilhelmina

Ottomans: Osman I

Rome: Hadrian

Spain: Carlos V (here or as Holy Roman Emperor)

Sumeria: Sargon I

Vikings: Canute the Great

You are so biased you took out all the mesoamerican civilizations out

 

[Bushface]

I can't resist posting - again - my suggestions for Mongol leaders.
Shurai Khan, Korsai Khan, Yubetai Khan, and the less-successful Mebiyai Khan and Prapsai Khan. Such a pity they're not historical !

 

[Angst]

America: Thomas Jefferson

Aztec: Tlacaelel

Babylon: Nebuchadrezzar II

Byzantium: Basil

Carthage: Dido

Celts: William Wallace

China: Wu Zetian

Egypt: Namer

England: Richard I

France: Jeanne d'Arc

Germany: Frederick Barbarossa

Greece: Leonidas

Holy Rome: Maria Theresa

Inca: Pachacuti

Japan: Meiji

Khmer: Jayavarman VII

Mayans: Yikin Chan Kawiil

Native America: Geronimo

Netherlands: Wilhelmina

Ottomans: Osman I

Portugal: Afonso III

Rome: Hadrian

Russia: Ivan III

Spain: Carlos V

Sumeria: Sargon I

Vikings: Canute

 

[Jerrymander]

What, no Chiang Kaishek? D:

 

[thadian]

Native America: Geronimo

Oddly enough, the soundtracks are titled for Geronimo and not sitting bull...

 

[SenhorDaGuerra]

Sun Yat-Sen is a better choice than Chiang Kai Shek as Sun yat-sen is revered by both the guomindang and the CCP. If you put Chiang in it, the game might not sell in China...

 

[Jerrymander]

Sun Yat-Sen is a better choice than Chiang Kai Shek as Sun yat-sen is revered by both the guomindang and the CCP. If you put Chiang in it, the game might not sell in China...

It's not like the game sells in China anyway. Every copy I looked at was pirated. :<
And since when should anyone care for what the CCP think?

 

[AmazonQueen]

Most civs have numerous other leaders who could be added in. For England I'd like to see Harald Godwinson, the last "English" king (he was actually half-Danish), Edward I aka Longshanks and the Hammer of the Scots, who almost unified Britain in the 13th century (not a nice man but a great king), and either Edward III or Henry V (the most important English leaders in the 100 Years War), but given the choice between more leaders for existing civs and new civs I'd take new civs anyday.

 

[SenhorDaGuerra]

It's not like the game sells in China anyway. Every copy I looked at was pirated. :<
And since when should anyone care for what the CCP think?

man that statement is short sighted. I would guess that the chinese care.

 

[Angst]

Oops, yeah, eh, I think I missed out a Korean leader. Suggestions anyone?

 

[Jerrymander]

man that statement is short sighted. I would guess that the chinese care.

No, it's not. Communism is a terrible system, and the CCP should be abolished. The Chinese DO care, but they shouldn't.

 

[Rusty Edge]

I'd like to see a second Viking leader.

But rather than a military leader like Canute the Great, I'd like to see someone who exemplifies the Expansive, rather than the Agressive trait. The Vikings founded many colonies and were great explorers, but we don't see such leaders in this game.

How about Eric the Red, or Leif the Lucky ?