Postmortem on Mueller

[Old Hippy]

This guy fabricated a conspiracy to help Clinton and it turned into a FISA warrant to spy on her political opponents

But one smart cookie... getting paid by the FBI and Hillary for the same job... at the same time... pity he does not know about email trails... wonder if he sold any of his leaks to the media 'heros'

 

[Estebonrober]

https://stream.org/christopher-steeles-deposition-shows-little-research-target/

Our intrepid spy

This guy fabricated a conspiracy to help Clinton and it turned into a FISA warrant to spy on her political opponents. I remember how the media was portraying him as some hero riding a white stallion saving democracy from Trump and the Russians. Red Scare round #2 - sir have you ever spoken with a Russian?

I mean its something. Its not much yet, but at least it is something. Maybe find more of this times like 1000? Anyways. . .

As part of that legal fight, BuzzFeed hired former FBI agent Anthony Ferrante to investigate the dossier’s claims about Gubarev. Ferrante produced a report that claimed there is evidence Russian hackers used the servers of Gubarev’s companies to wage cyber attacks against Democrats and other targets. But Ferrante, who was paid $4.1 million by BuzzFeed, admitted he found no evidence that Gubarev took part in the attacks or was aware of them.

Worth noting that the guy suing Steele (I'm guessing this is the England lawsuit?) had servers that were used in the hacking.

 

[Old Hippy]

Worth noting that the guy suing Steele (I'm guessing this is the England lawsuit?) had servers that were used in the hacking.

the word ... allegedly... would also be worth noting

 

[Birdjaguar]

I agree Trump engaged in potentially criminal behavior and might have crossed the obstruction line, but he has an out. I guess what I'm saying is the investigation was the fruit of a poisonous tree, the warrant on Page was unethical and possibly criminal and invalidates the obstruction charge because someone - and it fell to Trump - had to oversee what was already a corrupted process. It was a bad warrant, Trump was justified making sure the people responsible were not in charge. They have a conflict too and needed to recuse themselves, Trump made sure they left. He looked like a total jerk doing it, but now I'm understanding why he was so pissed off at these people serving as an arm of the Clinton campaign and their 'dossier'.

I think this is a loser for the Dems, when people find out they're going to see how dirty politics led to the investigation and that will put 'obstruction' in context. The best thing the Dems can do is censure him or something. Impeachment will bring all this stuff to light, Trump's accusations of hoax and witch hunt will resonate. And the Dems will blame 'bad intel' as Steele is exposed as a fraud. It appears the reason why Trump hates McCain is he had ties to Steele and was spreading the dossier. Regarding the definition of obstruction, all that assumes the investigation is valid, morally and/or legally. Evidence gets tossed all the time for invalid warrants or illegal searches.

I don't think your premise is correct. We'll have to see. Trump was not the overseer of the special counsel. Rosenstein was Mueller's boss. Trump had no line authority over it; that is why he tried to get other folks to fire Mueller. Rosenstein initiated the special counselor investigation because Trump fired Comey.

The FBI investigation started long before the special counselor and the FISA warrant. The FISA warrant only opened up more investigation of Carter Page. Repubs claim that the FBI were spying on Trump. The CP warrant happened in Oct 2016. The FBI investigation on Russian interference began in July. Rosenstein made the SC appointment because of the WH memo regarding the firing of Comey and Comey's statement that Trump has asked him to end the investigation. Because of the appearance of Trump's obstructionist behavior, Rosenstein, put Mueller over the existing FBI investigation.
Here is a time line:

• 2013 Russian intelligence tries to recruit Carter Page
• 2014 Carter Page subject to an FBI FISC warrant for his connections to Russia
• March 21, 2016: Carter page announced as Trump's foreign policy adviser. Carter Page is on the FBI radar
• March 21, 2016 Papadopolous joins the Trump campaign
• March 24, 2016 Papadopolous meets with Putin connected Russians in London
• March 31, 2016 Papadopolous meets with Trump and Sessions et al and says he can facilitate foreign policy meeting between Trump and Putin
• April 26, 2016 Papadopolous meet with his Russian contacts in London again and was told by them that Russia had Hillary's emails.
• ~May 10, 2016 Papadopolous tells an Australian diplomat that Russia has Hillary's emails.
• May 26, 2016 Papadopolous tells the Greek foreign Minister that Russia has Hillary's emails
• June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Russians and Trump family etc.
• June and July 2016 DNC emails leaked by DCLeaks and WikiLeaks
• Australia reports conversation with Papadopolous as soon as the DNC emails go public. Papadopolous is on the FBI radar
• July 5, 2016 Steele shows 2-4 pages of the dossier to an FBI agent in Europe. The first few pages of the Steele dossier are shown to the FBI
• July 31, 2016: FBI begins investigations of Russian interference in our election.
• late August - Sept 2016 FBI counter intelligence takes over the case and requests any more information that Steele has
• late summer Steele meets with a small group of national security reporters, but no stories are run. Word of the dossiers existence begins to leak out.
• late September 2016 Steele meets with FBI in Rome and shares what he has up to that point. The FBI tells Steele that the FBI is already looking into a campaign aid called Papadopolous
• Sept 2016 FBI begins a second investigation into Carter Page
• Oct 2016 Steele breaks off talks with FBI because he thinks they ignoring his information and focusing on Hillary's emails.
• Oct 2016 Steele had compiled 33 pages (16 memos), on Oct 31 Steele gives those pages to Mother Jones.
• Oct 2016: FISA Warrant issued for Carter Page
• Oct 31, 2016 DNC learns that they paid for the Steele dossier (from Mother Jones publication)
• Steele continued to work on the dossier into Dec.
• Early December 2016 Final 16 memos were delivered to John McCain
• Dec 9, 2016 McCain delivers all 16 memos to James Comey
• Steele finished his work on Dec 13, 2016 when he wrote the two page December memo.
• Early January 2017: Obama was informed of the dossier and what it contained and about Russian interference in the election
• January 6, 2017 Clapper and Comey told Trump about the Russian interference in the election. Clapper left the meeting and Comey told Trump about the dossier and what it contained.
• By the end of Jan 2017 the FBI, CIA, NSA and DNI were all investigating Carter Page.

As you can see, the FBI had ample evidence to reopen an investigation into Carter Page and look into Russian interference: Papadopolous, Carter Page's past and the initial pages of the Steele dossier. All this was months before the FISA warrant. The evidence just got worse as time went on.

Wednesday, May 17, 2017
Appointment of Special Counsel
Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein today announced the appointment of former Department of Justice official and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to serve as Special Counsel to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters.

“In my capacity as acting Attorney General, I determined that it is in the public interest for me to exercise my authority and appoint a Special Counsel to assume responsibility for this matter,” said Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. “My decision is not a finding that crimes have been committed or that any prosecution is warranted. I have made no such determination. What I have determined is that based upon the unique circumstances, the public interest requires me to place this investigation under the authority of a person who exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command.”

Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein added, “Each year, the career professionals of the U.S. Department of Justice conduct tens of thousands of criminal investigations and handle countless other matters without regard to partisan political considerations. I have great confidence in the independence and integrity of our people and our processes. Considering the unique circumstances of this matter, however, I determined that a Special Counsel is necessary in order for the American people to have full confidence in the outcome. Our nation is grounded on the rule of law, and the public must be assured that government officials administer the law fairly. Special Counsel Mueller will have all appropriate resources to conduct a thorough and complete investigation, and I am confident that he will follow the facts, apply the law and reach a just result.”

Special Counsel Mueller has agreed to resign from his private law firm in order to avoid any conflicts of interest with firm clients or attorneys.

https://stream.org/christopher-steeles-deposition-shows-little-research-target/

Our intrepid spy

This guy fabricated a conspiracy to help Clinton and it turned into a FISA warrant to spy on her political opponents. I remember how the media was portraying him as some hero riding a white stallion saving democracy from Trump and the Russians. Red Scare round #2 - sir have you ever spoken with a Russian?

You should read your link more closely. The part of the dossier in question is only the part where Steele talks about Aleksej Gubarev and used bad info. Buzzfeed redacted his name from the published dossier. There is no mention of him in the first 30 pages of the dossier. The redacted parts [about him?] consist of 3 lines on page 31 (from Oct 18) and two more lines on page 34 from December. Steele accused Gubarev of hacking into DNC computers.

Five lines of redacted text out of 35 pages does not a fabrication make.

But one smart cookie... getting paid by the FBI and Hillary for the same job... at the same time... pity he does not know about email trails... wonder if he sold any of his leaks to the media 'heros'

More trash trolling. Get you facts straight. Originally, the FBI had agreed to pay him to keep working, but they never did since there was a falling out. He was never paid by the FBI.

 

[Old Hippy]

. Originally, the FBI had agreed to pay him to keep working, but they never did since there was a falling out. He was never paid by the FBI.

still one great gig...'' had agreed to pay him to keep working''... bad luck he only got paid once... I suppose that is your point...

 

[Birdjaguar]

I suppose that is your point...

No, my point is to set the facts straight and minimize the the proliferation of misinformation. You and Berzerker criticize Steele for bad research by posting badly researched information.

 

[Old Hippy]

No, my point is to set the facts straight and minimize the the proliferation of misinformation. You and Berzerker criticize Steele for bad research by posting badly researched information.

at least we are all in agreement on that ... even steel acknowledges his own '' bad research '' by publicly not standing by his own conclusions...
let us all... both me, you and christopher steele... continue the good fight against the proliferation of misinformation.

and admits some of the information from random individules on CNN website ... in 2009

Christopher Steele, the former British spy who wrote the infamous anti-Donald Trump dossier, acknowledges that a sensational charge his sources made about a tech company CEO and Democratic Party hacking is unverified.

portions of Steele’s interview, which he gave in London on July 13, 2018, were unsealed in separate court filings submitted in the lawsuit.

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According to deposition transcripts released this week, Steele said last year he used a 2009 report he found on CNN's iReport website and said he wasn't aware that submissions to that site are posted by members of the public and are not checked for accuracy

 

[Estebonrober]

at least we are all in agreement on that ... even steel acknowledges his own '' bad research '' by publicly not standing by his own conclusions...
let us all... both me, you and christopher steele... continue the good fight against the proliferation of misinformation.

and admits some of the information from random individules on CNN website ... in 2009

Christopher Steele, the former British spy who wrote the infamous anti-Donald Trump dossier, acknowledges that a sensational charge his sources made about a tech company CEO and Democratic Party hacking is unverified.

He was generating a report of rumor and innuendo for political purposes right? His dossier wasn't an exhaustive investigation with bearing to legal prosecution in any form whatsoever, so acting like its shocking that it is full of salacious rumors and such is either you not understanding what the dossier was for or being intentionally coy to make your case stronger? Idk, either way poking holes in a rumor report of this nature isn't proving much. The part of it that the FBI used in the Carter Page warrant actually was fleshed out by circumstance and Page's past.

 

[Old Hippy]

He was generating a report of rumor and innuendo for political purposes right? His dossier wasn't an exhaustive investigation with bearing to legal prosecution in any form whatsoever, so acting like its shocking that it is full of salacious rumors and such is either you not understanding what the dossier was for or being intentionally coy to make your case stronger? Idk, either way poking holes in a rumor report of this nature isn't proving much. The part of it that the FBI used in the Carter Page warrant actually was fleshed out by circumstance and Page's past.

I understand that the correct name for this silly dossier is the ORBIS report ... how can I make my case stronger when Christopher Steele and his company ORBIS does that for me by going on record that he got some of it from anonymous sources of a CNN website in 2009... I look forward to Barr declassifying all the documents used by all US intelligence agencies... in their investigation of the Russian Collusion Hoax...

I recommend you buy some strong herbal tea ... its calming apparently... and then enjoy the show... popcorn is just too fattening

"so acting like its shocking that it is full of salacious rumors and such is either you not understanding what the dossier was for or being intentionally coy to make your case stronger"
this is not an argument against what I am saying... its just opinion.. I have my opinion, you have yours...
only time will tell ... and Barr is declassifying all juicy details from the CIA/FBI/DNI/NSA/emails 302's etc. etc. that relate to this... one of us has to be wrong... I have learnt patience...

 

[onejayhawk]

I don't think your premise is correct. We'll have to see. Trump was not the overseer of the special counsel. Rosenstein was Mueller's boss. Trump had no line authority over it; that is why he tried to get other folks to fire Mueller. Rosenstein initiated the special counselor investigation because Trump fired Comey.

The FBI investigation started long before the special counselor and the FISA warrant. The FISA warrant only opened up more investigation of Carter Page. Repubs claim that the FBI were spying on Trump. The CP warrant happened in Oct 2016. The FBI investigation on Russian interference began in July. Rosenstein made the SC appointment because of the WH memo regarding the firing of Comey and Comey's statement that Trump has asked him to end the investigation. Because of the appearance of Trump's obstructionist behavior, Rosenstein, put Mueller over the existing FBI investigation.
Here is a time line:

• 2013 Russian intelligence tries to recruit Carter Page
• 2014 Carter Page subject to an FBI FISC warrant for his connections to Russia
• March 21, 2016: Carter page announced as Trump's foreign policy adviser. Carter Page is on the FBI radar
• March 21, 2016 Papadopolous joins the Trump campaign
• March 24, 2016 Papadopolous meets with Putin connected Russians in London
• March 31, 2016 Papadopolous meets with Trump and Sessions et al and says he can facilitate foreign policy meeting between Trump and Putin
• April 26, 2016 Papadopolous meet with his Russian contacts in London again and was told by them that Russia had Hillary's emails.
• ~May 10, 2016 Papadopolous tells an Australian diplomat that Russia has Hillary's emails.
• May 26, 2016 Papadopolous tells the Greek foreign Minister that Russia has Hillary's emails
• June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Russians and Trump family etc.
• June and July 2016 DNC emails leaked by DCLeaks and WikiLeaks
• Australia reports conversation with Papadopolous as soon as the DNC emails go public. Papadopolous is on the FBI radar
• July 5, 2016 Steele shows 2-4 pages of the dossier to an FBI agent in Europe. The first few pages of the Steele dossier are shown to the FBI
• July 31, 2016: FBI begins investigations of Russian interference in our election.
• late August - Sept 2016 FBI counter intelligence takes over the case and requests any more information that Steele has
• late summer Steele meets with a small group of national security reporters, but no stories are run. Word of the dossiers existence begins to leak out.
• late September 2016 Steele meets with FBI in Rome and shares what he has up to that point. The FBI tells Steele that the FBI is already looking into a campaign aid called Papadopolous
• Sept 2016 FBI begins a second investigation into Carter Page
• Oct 2016 Steele breaks off talks with FBI because he thinks they ignoring his information and focusing on Hillary's emails.
• Oct 2016 Steele had compiled 33 pages (16 memos), on Oct 31 Steele gives those pages to Mother Jones.
• Oct 2016: FISA Warrant issued for Carter Page
• Oct 31, 2016 DNC learns that they paid for the Steele dossier (from Mother Jones publication)
• Steele continued to work on the dossier into Dec.
• Early December 2016 Final 16 memos were delivered to John McCain
• Dec 9, 2016 McCain delivers all 16 memos to James Comey
• Steele finished his work on Dec 13, 2016 when he wrote the two page December memo.
• Early January 2017: Obama was informed of the dossier and what it contained and about Russian interference in the election
• January 6, 2017 Clapper and Comey told Trump about the Russian interference in the election. Clapper left the meeting and Comey told Trump about the dossier and what it contained.
• By the end of Jan 2017 the FBI, CIA, NSA and DNI were all investigating Carter Page.

As you can see, the FBI had ample evidence to reopen an investigation into Carter Page and look into Russian interference: Papadopolous, Carter Page's past and the initial pages of the Steele dossier. All this was months before the FISA warrant. The evidence just got worse as time went on.

You should read your link more closely. The part of the dossier in question is only the part where Steele talks about Aleksej Gubarev and used bad info. Buzzfeed redacted his name from the published dossier. There is no mention of him in the first 30 pages of the dossier. The redacted parts [about him?] consist of 3 lines on page 31 (from Oct 18) and two more lines on page 34 from December. Steele accused Gubarev of hacking into DNC computers.

Five lines of redacted text out of 35 pages does not a fabrication make.

More trash trolling. Get you facts straight. Originally, the FBI had agreed to pay him to keep working, but they never did since there was a falling out. He was never paid by the FBI.

This timeline is clearly skewed toward a specific narrative. The name Papadopoulos is misspelled which makes me wonder about the source. Every item listed regarding him except the hire date is disputed, particularly the unconfirmed parts about Australia. It does not mention Stefan Halper, Joseph Misfud, or the unidentified woman that called herself Azra Turk. You show Page as being recruited by Russians. The Mueller report makes no such claim in its extensive list of Russian activities.

So, this is a piece of Swiss cheese without even looking closely. Do you have anything that is not trying to sell a story?

J

 

[Birdjaguar]

This timeline is clearly skewed toward a specific narrative. The name Papadopoulos is misspelled which makes me wonder about the source. Every item listed regarding him except the hire date is disputed, particularly the unconfirmed parts about Australia. It does not mention Stefan Halper, Joseph Misfud, or the unidentified woman that called herself Azra Turk. You show Page as being recruited by Russians. The Mueller report makes no such claim in its extensive list of Russian activities.

So, this is a piece of Swiss cheese without even looking closely. Do you have anything that is not trying to sell a story?

J

To begin, I typed Papadop??? name myself and then copy pasted it so I wouldn't have to retype it. If you figured out who I was talking about, I succeeded. This is not a copy paste list from some "secret, anti Trump" website. I created it line by line by going through available source documents. And yeah I did not mention "Joseph Misfud, or the unidentified woman that called herself Azra Turk" by name; so what? They were Papadop?? London contacts. Please point out which line items are wrong and why?
If you have better information, i'd like to see it and even make corrections if you can back up your suggested changes.

My purpose was to put all of the information from different threads of inquiry into one place so they could all be seen together. This helps minimize distortion of the facts and erroneous conclusions. When I could not find an exact date, I left it vague. For example, the FISA warrant redacts the day in Oct. it was created. For that I just put Oct. 2016.

 

[bernie14]

Which is kind of my point, by the time this is an issue the nation has gone to far for it to matter. Meanwhile in times of peace this would lead to clarity on so many levels it can only help law abiding citizens exponentially. As my neighbor it is actually directly my business to know if you can afford the property you claim to own.

Are you making a general "nothing to hide" argument? If so, sounds like something that belongs in the far right ideology thread

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Don't bother Birdjaguar, you can show a horse facts and the truth but you can't make them accept it

 

[Estebonrober]

Are you making a general "nothing to hide" argument? If so, sounds like something that belongs in the far right ideology thread

Yea well sort of sure, except the idea is that all business transactions that take place in the shadows are there for nefarious or bad logic reasons. Open book accounting is basically what I'm after just on a society wide level. After all I can legitimately make the argument that it is in all of our interests how money is made and moved around. This is true for all sorts of reasons. Nothing to hide I guess would be part of it, but this is the unintended consequence type thing I'm looking for. Can you elaborate on why that would be a problem with regards to tax information or monetary transaction information? Can you demonstrate reasons why it would be better to have it hidden then public domain? It is the public's money, financial institutions, and government.

Btw I get there are all sorts of reasons why people think their tax information should be private, but I'm dubious about whether that actually usurps the utility of having it public.

This is probably worth starting a thread about.

 

[onejayhawk]

Don't bother Birdjaguar, you can show a horse facts and the truth but you can't make them accept it

I have a better idea. Let's let the US Attorney that has been assigned the case sort fact from fiction. It should only be a few months. In the meantime the IG report is expected fairly soon.

J

 

[Birdjaguar]

I have a better idea. Let's let the US Attorney that has been assigned the case sort fact from fiction. It should only be a few months. In the meantime the IG report is expected fairly soon.

J

I see you didn't take me up on my offer to suggest corrections to my time line after trashing it for being "Swiss cheese".

 

[Estebonrober]

I see you didn't take me up on my offer to suggest corrections to my time line after trashing it for being "Swiss cheese".

Well considering present company's take on all this that IG report better be putting a lot of democratic FBI agents in jail. Oh wait there aren't any democratic FBI agents. . .hmmm. Oh well as long as more Republicans go to jail for breaking laws I think I'll be okay with any outcome honestly. Just need a majority in the senate to pass some new laws about election rules. Also some states seem to be stopping this whole "I'm not going to release my taxes" thing. It will be interesting to see Trump run and not even be on ballots in 2020. Sixteen months to go? Man I wish the dems would work the nerve to at least start impeachment, just for precedent's sake.

 

[Old Hippy]

Well considering present company's take on all this that IG report better be putting a lot of democratic FBI agents in jail. Oh wait there aren't any democratic FBI agents. . .hmmm. Oh well as long as more Republicans go to jail for breaking laws I think I'll be okay with any outcome honestly. Just need a majority in the senate to pass some new laws about election rules. Also some states seem to be stopping this whole "I'm not going to release my taxes" thing.

it will be interesting to see you defend so many Republicans who will go to jail for breaking laws...
just saying...

It will be interesting to see Trump run and not even be on ballots in 2020. Sixteen months to go? Man I wish the dems would work the nerve to at least start impeachment, just for precedent's sake.

you seem to understand the whole democratic attitude to winning popular support in an election thingy...
just look at the last two years of the Russian collusion Hoax...

''Man I wish the dems would work the nerve to at least start impeachment'' ... just saying...

 

[Berzerker]

I don't think your premise is correct. We'll have to see. Trump was not the overseer of the special counsel. Rosenstein was Mueller's boss. Trump had no line authority over it; that is why he tried to get other folks to fire Mueller. Rosenstein initiated the special counselor investigation because Trump fired Comey.

Trump > AG > Special Counsel. Thats why Trump was so pissed at Sessions for recusing himself. Trump should have fired him immediately and gotten a trusted AG who could oversee the investigation or shut it down. It does look very suspicious, the upper echelon of the FBI under Obama/Clinton used her unverified 'dirt' to spy on Trump. And one of the many ironies is the Dems complaining about 'lock her up' chants when they unleashed the FBI on Trump's people to literally lock them up.

The FBI investigation started long before the special counselor and the FISA warrant. The FISA warrant only opened up more investigation of Carter Page. Repubs claim that the FBI were spying on Trump. The CP warrant happened in Oct 2016. The FBI investigation on Russian interference began in July. Rosenstein made the SC appointment because of the WH memo regarding the firing of Comey and Comey's statement that Trump has asked him to end the investigation. Because of the appearance of Trump's obstructionist behavior, Rosenstein, put Mueller over the existing FBI investigation.

How did Papadopoulus become a warrant for Page? The dossier.

The bureau, under a Democratic-controlled Justice Department, sought a warrant to spy on the duly nominated GOP candidate for president in the final weeks of the 2016 election, based on evidence that was generated under a contract paid by his political opponent.

That evidence, the Steele dossier, was not fully vetted by the bureau and was deemed unverified months after the warrant was issued.

At least one news article was used in the FISA warrant to bolster the dossier as independent corroboration when, it fact, it was traced to a news organization that had been in contact with Steele, creating a high likelihood it was circular intelligence reporting.

And the entire warrant, the FBI’s own document shows, was being rushed to approval by two agents who hated Trump and stated in their own texts that they wanted to “stop” the Republican from becoming president.

If ever there were grounds to investigate the investigators, these facts provide the justification.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...vide-most-damning-evidence-of-fisa-abuses-yet

Here is a time line:
As you can see, the FBI had ample evidence to reopen an investigation into Carter Page and look into Russian interference: Papadopolous, Carter Page's past and the initial pages of the Steele dossier. All this was months before the FISA warrant. The evidence just got worse as time went on.

What does 'initial pages' mean? Accusations about Page? That timeline shows the dossier was the basis for the FISA application on Page. Look at the bolded Sept '16 entry and the one above or before it. In late Sept. Steele gave the FBI what he had in Rome and then they start investigating Page and got a warrant to spy a couple weeks later. I thought you already agreed source #1 was Steele? There was nothing on Page since 2014 and whatever they did back then cleared him of wrong doing.

The FISA application on Page starts out by claiming the informant's (source#1) allegations came to the FBI from the State Dept Oct '16. Steele was trying to stop Trump and triggering a public scandal via the FBI might be the Dems October Surprise. He threw buckets of mud against the wall hoping something would stick, his BS about Page stuck. But the FBI didn't go public so he went to the media before the election.

Imagine that, the Dems complain about Russians publishing emails exposing their corruption while they send their lies to the FBI and media before the election to hurt Trump and then they spend 2+ years trying to bring him down. This is the kind of crap that prevents me from supporting either party.

You should read your link more closely. The part of the dossier in question is only the part where Steele talks about Aleksej Gubarev and used bad info. Buzzfeed redacted his name from the published dossier. There is no mention of him in the first 30 pages of the dossier. The redacted parts [about him?] consist of 3 lines on page 31 (from Oct 18) and two more lines on page 34 from December. Steele accused Gubarev of hacking into DNC computers.

Five lines of redacted text out of 35 pages does not a fabrication make.

I was posting evidence of Steele's lack of credibility.

More trash trolling. Get you facts straight. Originally, the FBI had agreed to pay him to keep working, but they never did since there was a falling out. He was never paid by the FBI.

Steele was paid by the Clinton camp, the FBI and maybe (probably) the media all at the same time for lies he's being sued for. The FBI cut him off Nov1 '16 when media started publishing accusations from the dossier in late October. The DNC claiming they didn't know they funded the dossier until Mother Jones reported it is laughable, implausible deniability - they paid for that dirt and then they act like they didn't even know about it.

 

[Estebonrober]

it will be interesting to see you defend so many Republicans who will go to jail for breaking laws...
just saying...

you seem to understand the whole democratic attitude to winning popular support in an election thingy...
just look at the last two years of the Russian collusion Hoax...

''Man I wish the dems would work the nerve to at least start impeachment'' ... just saying...

If they followed the law, which I believe they did, then they will be worthy of defense. If they didn't then I will hold my tongue. You seem to think it's impossible that they didn't break the law, yet you have nothing but a sycophantic AG saying anything otherwise. You sound like all the people who thought Russian conspiracy was going to be an undeniable charge. The irony of that is not lost on me.

I think impeachment of the President is well over due, he is breaking constitutional law (emoluments clause) every day he is in office. Regardless of whether conspiracy charges were possible it is likely he is some sort of patsy for Russia, definitely Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Finally democrats already had and have continued to have popular support for the last 14 years. Just because its so rigged over here that the Republicans can pull out elections they technically lost doesn't mean the dems lost popular support.