Punching Nazis

[REDY]

Unless is fight negotiated, you risk assault on wrong person. I have been attacked by antifa one time.

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[Arwon]

That's funny because King didn't have a lot of time for respectability politics

Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

and

It may well be that shouts of Black Power and riots in Watts and the Harlems and the other areas, are the consequences of the white backlash rather than the cause of them

and

First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection

Bloke wasn't exactly all about passivity and politeness. Didn't condone or advocate acts of individual or mob violence, sure, saw them as cyclical and counterproductive, of course. But did , however, contextualise them and was never ever going to view those as equal to the violence inherent in racist and oppressive systems.

 

[Arwon]

(Also Gandhian passive resistance was quite different to MLKJr's confrontational and active non violence so there's that)

 

[Berzerker]

One thing that's funny is that many of the same people who said Trayvon Martin deserved to get killed for walking are now saying that Spencer shouldn't be punched for advocating genocide.

martin is dead because he attacked somebody he didn't like and they had a gun

 

[W|M]

(Also Gandhian passive resistance was quite different to MLKJr's confrontational and active non violence so there's that)

Gandhi was also a horrible racist

 

[Berzerker]

somebody should punch him in the face

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Long time lurker here. Growing up, I was always taught that people like Martin Luther King Jr, and Gandhi were heroes because they didn't resort to violence. They chose the path of peaceful resistance, and were successful. The teachings of Jesus Christ are applicable in this situation as well. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Peace is the answer, at least in my book. We all bleed red, and we all just want to find happiness in life. We're not all that different, us humans.

Martin Luther King was successful because he offered a contrast to the "race war" that the white people were terrified of, and that seemed to be offered up any day by Malcolm X. So saying "look how great passive resistance is" as if it happened in a vacuum is disingenuous at best and open fraud at worst.

Gandhi was facing an entirely different issue that has no applicability to any current situation that I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Commodore]

And here I thought threads/posts advocating violence were against the forum rules. Silly me.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It's mostly more "discussion of" than "advocacy for." Mostly.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

martin is dead because he attacked somebody he didn't like and they had a gun

WOW!!! You were THERE!?! Who knew? I thought you were in Kansas!

 

[bernie14]

.....If anyone can show how left-wing activists punching far-right counterprotesters actually accomplishes anything beneficial for the left, I'm all ears.

that's, easy.....it's every marxist/anarchist/communist wet dream in which the oppressed working class FINALLY realizes the injustices of the evil establishment/fascist/misogynistic/racist/sexist/capitalist/homophobic/privileged etc, etc, goberment and topples same to create a wonderful utopia where everyone is truly happy, equal and loves each other

Spoiler :

after a lot of this of course....

Antifascist action is always justified, whatever form it may take, and it's always justified because fascists advocate for genocide. This isn't some minor disagreement, it's fighting to prevent those sorts of people (with whom you seem to sympathise) from being able to destroy innocent lives.

so are we using the same definitions for fascism and nazism? how about proto-fascism (what ever that is supposed to mean)? Seems to me fascist style governments are doing quite well, just look at Saudi Arabia or Singapore....

.....They aren't just "holding public speaking events," these people want to use the Trump presidency as a springboard to enacting their genocidal policy. Richard Spencer himself has stated that this is his goal. So yeah, the guy who wants to kill tens of millions of black Americans.......

.....Slippery slope arguments are generally a sign of intellectual weakness, because if that is the best you have, then it isn't very convincing.

isn't every anti trump argument a slippery slope at this point??

 

[Angst]

Yes. As often as possible.

Now I liked this post, and I know we're on page 9 now, but neo nazis are severely capitalizing on this punch in their rhetoric as we speak. Sadly. They want to frame themselves as the rational party that's just defending itself and this is allowing them to do that, on a silver platter.

 

[W|M]

They're victimising themselves and saying that they're in the right, but only other Nazis believe them. The punch on Richard Spencer alone has led to many previously wary social democrats advocating for antifascist action, so while the fascists are attempting to strike back, antifascists have dealt a big blow to them - Both literally and figuratively.

 

[Angst]

They're victimising themselves and saying that they're in the right, but only other Nazis believe them. The punch on Richard Spencer alone has led to many previously wary social democrats advocating for antifascist action, so while the fascists are attempting to strike back, antifascists have dealt both a big blow to them - Both literally and figuratively.

I just hope you're right.

 

[Mustakrakish]

What is this all about? Is it about randomly punching Nazis in the face on the street or is this some kind of analogy for fighting Nazism universally? If it's about just randomly punching people then what if they punch back? So hard in fact they put you in hospital?

 

[W|M]

Well obviously it's good to stay safe when punching Nazis

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What is this all about? Is it about randomly punching Nazis in the face on the street or is this some kind of analogy for fighting Nazism universally? If it's about just randomly punching people then what if they punch back? So hard in fact they put you in hospital?

If when you punch someone they put you in the hospital you need to work on that. More than ninety percent of fights are won by whoever punches first. If you are consistently in the ten percent you should sit out.

 

[Berzerker]

WOW!!! You were THERE!?! Who knew? I thought you were in Kansas!

Were you there? That was easy... They had a trial, we know what these people were saying before and during the confrontation. Martin wasn't killed for walking home, he was killed attacking someone with a gun - somebody he didn't like. The left needs to stop embracing violent criminals for their martyrs.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Were you there? That was easy... They had a trial, we know what these people were saying before and during the confrontation. Martin wasn't killed for walking home, he was killed attacking someone with a gun - somebody he didn't like. The left needs to stop embracing violent criminals for their martyrs.

I can point you to whatever number of trials that have failed to reflect the actual facts as you need to get over the idea that "since it was determined at trial it is what really happened."

As to "were you there, that was easy"...I'm not pretending to have knowledge of what happened thousands of miles from where I was. That would be you.

 

[Hygro]

Guys, don't get on bandwagons of violence.