Questions from an ignoramus

Kozmos

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I been spinning some thoughts in thought spinning center of my brain and the resulting thought spins are:

1. Why was the British Empire so successful? Main factors and the like.

2. When muskets were invented why did they use ball shaped ammunition instead of conical pointed kind? They didnt make the connection from why arrows fly so well?
 
2. When muskets were invented why did they use ball shaped ammunition instead of conical pointed kind? They didnt make the connection from why arrows fly so well?
Firstly, because conical bullets are not simply a shaped version of older spherical ammunition, as that would- as early prototypes did- simply lead to a deformed bullet that would be no more accurate than a spherical one, if not less so. It took sufficient developments in technology to allow the creation of effective bullets, let alone their mass-production. Furthermore, before the development of rifling, firearms were so inaccurate as to make such a development near enough useless anyway (and, in fact, it was the difficulty of loading a rifle using spherical bullets which spurred early developments in conical ammunition).
Secondly, because that isn't why arrows fly so well- that's due to the whole shape of the arrow, and, more than anything, the fletching (tail-feathers). The point of the arrow head is to allow it to actually do some damage, something which bullets do not need. The analogue of arrows would not be conical bullets, but long bolts, which is actually what early firearms did use, before the development of more effective spherical ammunition.

The first question, though, is way beyond me, I'm afraid we'll have to wait for someone wiser to come along. ;)
 
Ah it would seem TV has rotted away my basic physics. Thanks for reminding me.
 
Brits were successful for many reasons, but the French navy being destroyed in the Napoleonic wars, leaving them unchallenged on the high seas, was a big one.
 
Well the British isles was basically devoid of decent weather it was constantly raining and foggy and of decent food, they were stuck with spotted dick, bangers and mash, fish and chips and the like. All bland and tasteless food. This forced Britian into a desperate quest to find decent food and a good climate. Why do you think they were so attracted to India? They got curry and they never looked back, thats why it was the crown jewel of the empire.
 
According to a book I'm reading, (Coal: A Human History), Britain's large coal deposits played a part. Britons exhausted their woodlands quickly and had to resort to using coal more than any other European nation, and coal turned out to be quite useful in terms of energy and industrial production -- being used in iron and steel production. Coal contributed heavily to the industrial revolution, and Britain's status as being the first industrial state went a long way towards making them the world power.
 
Bangers and mash is a fantastic dish. Second only to corned beef and cabbage.

I assume you mean bacon and cabbage, but corned beef is nice too.

But the British had several advantages, 1) the navy as pointed out was paramount around the world after the Napoleonic Wars (and before wasn't too far off),
2) Due to geography it is very hard to invade Britain (nothing like any game has ever made out) so leaving a secure base. Also due to ocean currents it has a good climate.
3) A strong presence of natural resources on the islands, allowing for a good measure of self-sufficiency.
4) Weakness of their closest neighbours (Irish and Scots) allowing them to take over the land.
5) The particular nature of the development of British society, landing industrial revolution before everybody else, the nature of the bourgeoisie in England (less likely to revolt, put their work into getting rich).
6) Concilliatory moves by those in power (often inadvertant).
7) Prodestant work ethic.

Mix all those in with a big slice of luck, and a large slice of the world in shape to be taken over, and you've got my idea of your answer.
 
You're both wrong. Bacon and Corned Beef is best.

As for musket balls being round, a shaped piece of ammunition is worse without rifling. See, a ball will always come out the same way, in a reasonably aerodynamic shape. While a bullet, or even better was your example an arrow, will fly straight if thrown correctly, if thrown sideways it will fail misserably. A ball on the otherhand, will fly fairly decently no matter the angle.
When a musket fires, the shot litterally rattles down the barrel and can tumble end over end. A musket ball will come out somewhat straight, but a shaped piece of ammunition will usually fail miserably.
 
According to a book I'm reading, (Coal: A Human History), Britain's large coal deposits played a part. Britons exhausted their woodlands quickly and had to resort to using coal more than any other European nation, and coal turned out to be quite useful in terms of energy and industrial production -- being used in iron and steel production. Coal contributed heavily to the industrial revolution, and Britain's status as being the first industrial state went a long way towards making them the world power.

Yes, resource-wise the lucky bastards had plenty of readily-available coal and iron in that foggy island of theirs! It's worth pointing out that other notable places where this happened in well-populated areas were Germany, northern France/Belgium, and the northeastern USA. All leading imperial powers during the 19th century.
Resources alone were not enough, but they are a prerequisite.
 
You cannot hear it at the moment, but I'm currently making a Frankensteinesque noise.

Just because you've a hard-on for Catholicism doesn't make you right. Now I've no great love for Prodestantism, and I do not like the term either, but I've none better.

Great Scott I wouldn't be found dead eating bacon.

Homecure boiled bacon is lovely, my brother was so enamoured he used flavour his salt with it. Mmmmm Bacon and cabbage.
 
Just because you've a hard-on for Catholicism doesn't make you right. Now I've no great love for Prodestantism, and I do not like the term either, but I've none better.

I don't like Catholicism and I have a problem with it also.
 
I don't like Catholicism and I have a problem with it also.

I know it does denigrate Catholic countries, but is there any other simple term which expresses the fact that as regards Europe in the Enlightenment era, that is was the countries which were mainly Prodestant which developed quicker and more completely. If so I will gladly edit it into my post.

P.S. I was raised Catholic, so I have a lot of cultural ambivalence towards the term.
 
Just because you've a hard-on for Catholicism doesn't make you right. Now I've no great love for Prodestantism [sic], and I do not like the term either, but I've none better.

I don't like the Protestant work ethic thesis. I don't even like talking about the Protestant work ethic. It has nothing to do with me being Catholic; why would it? If being Catholic was some sort of accidental excuse to slack off, then that's all the more reason for me to love my Church. But that has nothing to do with it.

The fact of the matter is that the Weber thesis is over a hundred years old. Weber was assuredly one of the greatest sociologists to live, and when he first published the Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism in 1905, it was a groundbreaking theory for the fact that it opened up new ways to observe the relationship between society and religion. But it wasn't a good theory in terms of factuality -- not then, and especially not now. This is from a paper I wrote a few years ago, which I dug up because I hate talking about this subject (I'm not going to post the full paper, because a full seven pages of it was simply stating the facts of how the book got to be written, which was a requirement for the course I wrote it for, and yet is hardly relevant to this discussion):

While ground-breaking upon its introduction to the academic world, several problems in the Weber thesis have mostly discredited it to this day, and Andrew Greeley says that “a review of recent studies indicates that this hypothesis is anything but fruitful. It is suggested that the survival of the Protestant Ethic as a testable theory is due to... an oversimplification of history, an ignorance of the pluralistic nature of Catholicism, and a refusal to be persuaded by empirical data.”1

One significant problem appears to be in several underlying assumptions he has about capitalism. For instance, he says that “the capitalism of to-day, which has come to dominate economic life, educates and selects the economic subjects which it needs through a process of economic survival of the fittest.”2 This is a very optimistic view of early 20th century economics. He does not seem to consider the possibility that perhaps there is a significant aristocratic element to capitalism, whereby one's social standing and inheritance plays a significant part in his success. In this instance, it is not “survival of the fittest.” If it is not the case that truly the most successful workers will reap the greatest benefit, then the Protestant work ethic is not a viable answer as to why Catholics were less financially successful.

Furthermore, Weber's conclusion about the Protestant work ethic within Calvinist circles is dubious. So the argument goes, financial success is believed by Calvinists to be a sign of predestined salvation. Weber puts it this way: “in order to attain that self-confidence [in salvation,] intense worldly activity is recommended as the most suitable means.”3 Therefore, those who adhere to this theology would work hard in order to see if they have they are one of God's chosen.

This would, however, fatally suggest that those who do not reap as much success in capitalism would therefore conclude that they are not predestined to be saved. In this instance, any work ethic would simply melt into nihilism: why work if you are going to be in hell, anyway? If it is the case that “in the Protestant Ethic tradition a man [is] directly responsible for his own fortunes,”4 then why is there not a disproportionate number of people who live in Calvinist communities and are depressed, impoverished and irreligious? This, plus the fact that Calvinists frowned upon giving to charity, would demand that their communities yielded far more severe cases of poverty than Catholics. Weber's data, nor any data from the era, show this discontinuity.5

Another problem, and one that has resulted in the discrediting of the Weber thesis in many peoples' eyes, is that the phenomenon of the Protestant/Catholic financial gap appeared to be unique to Europe.6 On other continents, the difference was not so stark, especially in North America. If it is indeed fundamental Protestant theology that has resulted in the development of capitalism, why would this not be the case everywhere in the world, and only Europe? Though Weber only claims to be tackling the question of a certain period in Europe, there is no reason why the Protestant work ethic would not apply elsewhere, for Luther's secular vocations and Calvin's predestination are not confined to only the believers on the mainland.
Sources cited for the above selection in order:

Andrew Greeley, "The Protestant Ethic: Time for a Moratorium," Sociological Analysis 25 (1964): 20.

The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, 55.

The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, 112.

“The Changing Protestant Ethic: Rural Patterns in Health, Work, and Leisure,” 559.

Brian Pullan, “Catholics, Protestants, and the Poor in Early Modern Europe,” Journal of Interdisciplinary History 35 (2005): 441.

Pals, Daniel. Eight Theories of Religion 2nd ed. New York: Oxford University Press, 2006: 186.

I don't really think it was even a good theory to begin with; it's full of oversimplifications-for-the-sake of argument, one egregious one being cited repeatedly in Weber's works: "the Spaniards knew that heresy (i.e. the Calvinism of the Dutch) promoted trade, and this coincides... [with] the capitalistic development of the Netherlands" (43). Yeah. Not the most rigid of global economic analyses.
 
I know it does denigrate Catholic countries, but is there any other simple term which expresses the fact that as regards Europe in the Enlightenment era, that is was the countries which were mainly Prodestant which developed quicker and more completely. If so I will gladly edit it into my post.

P.S. I was raised Catholic, so I have a lot of cultural ambivalence towards the term.

There isn't because its not true.
 
I don't know if it's entirely untrue, just overstated. I'm thinking of Puritan New England, where people were whipped for not working, etc. Granted, it was probably more related to the need to work in order to survive than anything to do with the religion, but it was a notable feature of some English communities.

Of course, one could argue it was a "Germanic Work Ethic" if you wanted to, it seems to be the same countries whichever way you want to imply this term existed.
 
Rather disgustingly, and very relevant to discussion, a girl I once worked with (who was omgwtf hot BTW) gave me a lecture once about how wealth was God's reward to the righteous, and if someone was poor is was because he had not properly demonstrated himself as deserving in God's eyes, and was so properly punished just as the rich were rewarded. Absolutely disgusting. No surprise she is an evangelical Protestant. Even more shocking was to hear her twisting of scripture to fit her ideological point of view, even when confronted with scripture which proclaimed precisely the opposite. A vulgar economist I can tolerate, who proclaims belief in inexorable laws of interaction, but this was intolerably disgusting apologism to hear.
 
Didn't Weber talk about the Protestant Work Ethic among the Japanese, a notably not-Christian nation? Just to heap yet more scorn on that horrible book of his.
 
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