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[ainwood]

So in the case that a fellow poster makes a racist post and I call him out on that, I'm flaming? wow.. just wow..

Calling someone a racist is flaming. What you're really arguing for is being able to flame people in certain situations, such as them posting something racist. My point is that if they have posted something racist in this forum, then report it and let the mods deal with it.

ehm, no... You're opinion/voice has more weight on this site, which is only logical, but it is definitely not more authoritative unless one of you is a judge/lawyer, specialised in discrimination.

I, and the moderating staff, have the authority to deal with posters who post racist or otherwise inflammatory posts on this site, by anything from warnings to infractions to banning. You do not. That is my point, and that is the purpose of a moderating team: to evaluate the posts and determine whether they are disruptive enough to adversely affect the forum experience for other posters.

By allowing people to "call others out" (which is just a euphemism for flaming them) on things they post, you might as well not bother with moderators at all.

But to combine your first accusation with your last sentence. We care about racism however we do not care that someone is infracted for it or not, as long as we are allowed to call it as we see it.

Right. So you don't care about letting the staff actually deal with racist posters, you want to take it into your own hands. The problem is with your point: as we see it. The problem is that when you are involved in a debate, you are not as objective. This is why the moderating staff are not supposed to moderate discussions that they are directly involved in. Also, what you consider to be racist may be completely different to what someone else considers to be racist. Rather than vigilantism flaming, we are requesting that the poster "calls someone out" by reporting racist posts and letting the moderators deal with them. Honestly; how does calling someone a racist in any way improve the standard of debate, over and above what can be achieved by reporting the post and letting the moderators deal with it?

However a post saying 'Because this and that I conclude that you post is racist, do you agree and if not why?' you make a well funded statement and leaving the other space to make his own case on the issue. Allowing this sort of posts, and not just for racism but also for misogynysm, homophobia, anit-semitism etc, gives the opportunity for 'The Chamber' to reach debates with more depth which was the purpose if I recal correctly.

And from this, we are probably 'violently agreeing'. There is a difference between calling the poster a racist and dissecting their post to show why it is racist. You get more leniency on the latter.

 

[Takhisis]

No, calling people out is not a euphemism for flaming.

 

[classical_hero]

And from this, we are probably 'violently agreeing'. There is a difference between calling the poster a racist and dissecting their post to show why it is racist. You get more leniency on the latter.

From my experience here, that is simply not the case. You get infracted for both.

 

[mayor]

Right. So you don't care about letting the staff actually deal with racist posters, you want to take it into your own hands. The problem is with your point: as we see it. The problem is that when you are involved in a debate, you are not as objective. This is why the moderating staff are not supposed to moderate discussions that they are directly involved in. Also, what you consider to be racist may be completely different to what someone else considers to be racist. Rather than vigilantism flaming, we are requesting that the poster "calls someone out" by reporting racist posts and letting the moderators deal with them. Honestly; how does calling someone a racist in any way improve the standard of debate, over and above what can be achieved by reporting the post and letting the moderators deal with it?

That was the point I was trying to make.
How am I to know that a post is not, intentionally or in the mind of the poster, racist. All I can see on my side of the internet is a post that I judge to be racist without knowing the string of thought behind it. What I want is the ability to get to know that string of thought without being infracted for my... curiousity(?)

And from this, we are probably 'violently agreeing'. There is a difference between calling the poster a racist and dissecting their post to show why it is racist. You get more leniency on the latter.

No further questions
for now

 

[Kozmos]

Given the entirely helpful PDMA rule it would be best if noone posted anything. Opinions are outdated man.

 

[ainwood]

How am I to know that a post is not, intentionally or in the mind of the poster, racist. All I can see on my side of the internet is a post that I judge to be racist without knowing the string of thought behind it. What I want is the ability to get to know that string of thought without being infracted for my... curiousity(?)

You do not have to call someone a racist to ask them to explain their string of thought. In fact, I think you'd find that they are much more likely to do so if asked in a civil manner, than if accused of being a racist.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

If someone posts regularly on Stormfront, they are probably racist.

 

[ainwood]

No, calling people out is not a euphemism for flaming.

Given the entirely helpful PDMA rule it would be best if noone posted anything. Opinions are outdated man.

Guys - if you want to discuss the topic at hand, then you are welcome to do so. These posts don't really contribute much at all, so it is unclear what you want me to address.

 

[Takhisis]

It's not terribly difficult, ainwood. You say that calling people out on what they are is a euphemism for flaming, and I say it's not, and if it isn't flaming it should be allowed.

 

[ainwood]

It's not terribly difficult, ainwood. You say that calling people out on what they are is a euphemism for flaming, and I say it's not, and if it isn't flaming it should be allowed.

If you want a serious discussion about it, then post your reasoning. A one-liner statement from you provides me exactly zero understanding of why you think like you do.

 

[History buff33]

Ainwood my friend. I must say i agree with your judgment and why you do the things you do. I just hope that you treat all fairly and make sure all involved in incidents are dealt with in a just manner

 

[Core Imposter]

I have decided to stop posting in this forum altogether as I do not think that the moderators can reasonably and equitably exert this level of control given the language and cultural barriers that obviously exist.

This entire idea is folly in that the effort will only result in stiffling the creative exchange of ideas.

And this can never be sensibly efforced as human beings think and communicate on different levels. You cannot moderate out misunderstandings. Nor does the moderation team have the time to properly evaluate posts in context with the discussions at hand. This inevitably leads to arbitrary action.

I'd suggest that this forum be merged with the Tavern and follow a lighter moderating hand.

 

[Aquila SPQR]

Fantastic thing! I abandoned this forums for a looong time because of massive trolling. Glad that you finally decided to do something against it.