Replay #8 4 µ m8s <3

And I'd really like to pick on you BiC for your spelling of Blitzkrieg, I'd really like, but unfortantely I cannot remember any word from the german language starting with "Blie" , so I have to skip on that :( . Maybe you can remember the writing better when you associate what "Blitz" means, because that's the german word for "Lightning" , and Lightning only gets written with an I but no E.
Aaaah! Right! Spelling mistake! My bad! I'm sorry. :blush: And I thought I could write German... :blush:
Wo is dat blut? Ich habe durst.
(Please, don't reply in German... a) I can't read it; b) that sure is against forum rules)

I'm impressed at your dedication to give credits where credits are due :goodjob:
If you want to do me a favour, I'd be glad to have a swordsman by my name... if you happen to build one in a later game :D
 
Hello again!


Warrior-farm?

Warriors? How good can they be? What? You save how many hammers you say? [following your calculations...getting astonished]
(note to self: I need a Warrior farm next game...)


Undefended cities?

Really? Isn't that a bit risky? Oh, you have enough information to tell where your enemies are located! Still...ehhh... you can attack how much earlier, you say?
(note to self: Forget defending non-frontier cities, just conquer more of them earlier...)


The two points above are the most obvious ones, opening up my thoughts towards new ways to play this wonderful game. I'm having a very good time reading your write-up. But, I must admit that I need to re-read it in order to take in all there is to know. There is just so much to learn... (which is a good thing :goodjob:).



Yours Sincerely

Kjotleik of Norway :)
 
And I'd really like to pick on you BiC for your spelling of Blitzkrieg, I'd really like, but unfortantely I cannot remember any word from the german language starting with "Blie" , so I have to skip on that :( . Maybe you can remember the writing better when you associate what "Blitz" means, because that's the german word for "Lightning" , and Lightning only gets written with an I but no E.
bleiben, bleib, ....? ;) Uncapitalized, I suppose.

I'm enjoying the thread, Seraiel. :) Sad to see my namesake has only made it into one screenshot, no doubt trying to avoid doing anything or risking his skin. Unless he preempted bcool into the underworld...
 
bleiben, bleib, ....? ;) Uncapitalized, I suppose.

lol, Seraiel said he couldn't think of any German words starting with "blie". You provided examples starting "blei".

I even checked a German -> English dictionary. There are no German words that begin with "blie".

If simple transformations like moving the last letter of the word to the beginning, we can get lieb -> blie.

Sun Tzu Wu
 
It's the third principal part. The verb experiences ablaut, like "sing, "sang," "sung" in English.

EDIT: sorry for off-topic discussion in an excellent thread. :thumbsup:
 
It's the third principal part. The verb experiences ablaut, like "sing, "sang," "sung" in English.

EDIT: sorry for off-topic discussion in an excellent thread. :thumbsup:

Next time please do something like this in a pm or explain so others reading the thread can understand. Mentioning that blieben is an irregular verb would have helped those of us whose native language isn't German, to understand.

Sun Tzu Wu
 
Aaaah! Right! Spelling mistake! My bad! I'm sorry. :blush: And I thought I could write German... :blush:
Wo is dat blut? Ich habe durst.
(Please, don't reply in German... a) I can't read it; b) that sure is against forum rules)

I'm impressed at your dedication to give credits where credits are due :goodjob:
If you want to do me a favour, I'd be glad to have a swordsman by my name... if you happen to build one in a later game :D

As already said once in this thread, all names of the heroes appearing in this game, were already chosen before doing the writeup :) . I offered you friendship BiC, but you denied me, it's now that you must find out that you denied yourself something too ;) .

But with this much of feedback, I'm sure that there's gonna be a Replay #9, all I have to get, is an idea what kind of round I havn't really written about yet. First Replays were Domination, then came Sushi, then Conquest, Cultural, now Conquest again... That doesn't leave too much place for heroes to appear, I'm definately not publishing the current Marathon-time-victory I'm playing, but with time come opportunities, I'm sure about that ;) .

Hello again!


Warrior-farm?

Warriors? How good can they be? What? You save how many hammers you say? [following your calculations...getting astonished]
(note to self: I need a Warrior farm next game...)


Undefended cities?

Really? Isn't that a bit risky? Oh, you have enough information to tell where your enemies are located! Still...ehhh... you can attack how much earlier, you say?
(note to self: Forget defending non-frontier cities, just conquer more of them earlier...)


The two points above are the most obvious ones, opening up my thoughts towards new ways to play this wonderful game. I'm having a very good time reading your write-up. But, I must admit that I need to re-read it in order to take in all there is to know. There is just so much to learn... (which is a good thing :goodjob:).



Yours Sincerely

Kjotleik of Norway :)

One of the best things was finding out about Courage-mechanics, so learning that AI will not attack certain cities / units even if they're only defended from 1 unit, because the STR of that unit is too high -> too little chances for AI to "have the courage" .

Leaving cities undefended and using troops only as Garrisons where needed I think was something I learned through a writeup of WastinTime (it wasn't his idea, but he wrote that he did so, so I thought :hm: maybe I should quit on my neurose to want a city-garrison in every city and really play with my head turned on there too) , and the warrior-farm again is not my idea, I think it was TMIT who wrote something like "you cannot talk about Longbows for happiness, warriors or archers at most!" that again made me realize the same, being, that also other players were optimizing their games with things like the ones you mentioned, making me do so too.

In germany there's a saying being "leading others with good example" , meaning, that setting by setting an example by onesself, others may want to strive for the same things / values too.

bleiben, bleib, ....? ;) Uncapitalized, I suppose.

I'm enjoying the thread, Seraiel. :) Sad to see my namesake has only made it into one screenshot, no doubt trying to avoid doing anything or risking his skin. Unless he preempted bcool into the underworld...

You actually found something there, "er blieb" (german: "he stayed" ) has the right letters, anyhow, as you said, non-capitalized, so to pick on BiC with that word, I'd have to had picked on his noun with a verb. Probably possible, but quite hard.

I found an example with which I could have picked on BiC btw., saying that "Blietzkrieg" was "the slow form" of "Blitzkrieg" , because when an "e" follows an "i" in german, it's pronounced like a "long i" , but then I quit on writing that, because picking on someone in another language already is a little too unfair for me, or I thought, if I already want to pick on him, then I have to pick in a way that all english can understand without causing them to smoke because of the effort they have to make to understand what I wrote.

lol, Seraiel said he couldn't think of any German words starting with "blie". You provided examples starting "blei".

I even checked a German -> English dictionary. There are no German words that begin with "blie".

If simple transformations like moving the last letter of the word to the beginning, we can get lieb -> blie.

Sun Tzu Wu

You using a german dictionary to find out about my treasury of words is really "lieb" (meaning "good, nice, loving" ) from you STW .

I must say that I'm astonished that there really are no words with the order of letters that I described, I thought "there's 100% something really stupid like" "Blie?=)§%?=(OISDKFJÖEÖF" meaning something that germans themselves don't know.

TY :)

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Continueing the writeup now, wasn't able to do anything anymore yesterday, was a really bad day, today seems to be better.

Seraiel
 
Well, I assume BiC is a big fan of Justin Bieber, and the two words were contaminated that way. :D

To keep things on topic&#8212; I saw your comments on Vassalage and both agree and disagree. The +2XP is largely insignificant provided that you are able to run Theocracy, and it is not a civic friendly to the economy. However, if you are done researching for the game, or in a tough spot, it can make a huge difference: all Praetorians/Trebs/Cannons can promote to CRII out of the gate, Protective Archery units hit Drill III, later naval units can receive Navigation I... you know all this, of course, but it does have its uses, and players often remain in Bureaucracy for too long when they should be mopping up.

It is at its most powerful, I think, with Charismatic leaders attempting a Cuirassier rush. I should give that a try with Lincoln some day. :hammer:
 
Ok, you probably guessed it already, but the war against Lincoln could get a little harder than the one against Lizzy was, but is that really true? Lincoln has a huge empire, he's currently fighting Peter, and what we're afraid of is the possibility that Lincoln simply shows up with his stack, and then, well, brings us in the situation where sueing for peace would still be an option!

This tells you something about me, and it tells you something about how to conduct wars. First, I didn't think about cease-fire's, I thought "meh, if I'm already in war, I want to end that war in one attempt" , but this often is not possible, and it's no good way either. Back in that round, I was already more advanced with my playstyle, and I thought "I'm just gonna conquer as many cities of Lincoln as possible, then sue for peace, re-organize the troops, wait until Lincoln is attacking Peter again, and then I'm gonna take the rest" :) .

This is ment to make you think about using cease-fire mechnics to your advantage, because what I'm assuming, is, that many of you think like I thought before discovering the great power of cease-fires, that they think "a war has to be ended asap and in one attempt" , but now think about it, wouldn't it be really great actually to conquer just a few cities of an opponent, then fool him with conducting peace, and then conquering the rest easily too? :)

280 AD is the turn where I want to conduct war. This begins with me doing the final checks again. This i. e. means checking the borders for enemy-units, and there we find this lone Horse-Archer:



This is the real disadvantage of a warrior-defended empire, and of course, this is something that cannot be prevented with having such broad borders. Lincolns Horse-Archer (is there, because he wants to resettle the site where Lizzy's last city was and it) threatens both cities. Newcastle could be attacked directly after we declare war on Lincoln, now we need a defender for both cities. Newcastle has a lot of hammers this turn which are OF from a previous whip, but the hammers aren't enough to produce a Cho-Ko-Nu in 1 turn.

The solution comes by micro:



Fine, so now we got defenders that'll defend those cities for as long as that Horse-Archer is there (2nd city gets defended by the Cho-Ko-Nu that is in the area by accident) .

I take myself a lot of time to perform such checks, and it's really nothing that I like to do, but checking the borders for enemies is just something that comes along with having a warrior-defended empire and when playing for HoF, so no reloads, it of course must be done before going to war.

Final checks complete. Time to declare war:



Wowowow! I just forgot something really important! Great trick I learned from WastinTime and great move in general:



Explanations already on the screen, but if you asked yourself if giving Lincoln Music is not a bit much for him switching Civics: I thought so too, and what I thought was that "the worst possible that can happen, is, that Lincoln has another World Wonder that he can build for us" . Lincoln getting Engineering so much later, that we can trade it to all others is awesome, and him not being able to whip reinforcements in the first cities is also great, and him not being able to produce double-promoted units via Vassalage during war, again good, so 3 good reasons for this move. Enough for me to decide for giving Lincoln such a tech.

Back to the heroes:



You see, that DMOC is really happy about the effort Denniz makes with ensuring this game for was played without cheating!

DMOC's lucky though:



But it was an easy fight anyhow, wasn't it? The heroes at Las Vegas stand before a task of greater difficulty:



BigBossPlayer attacks:



And BigBossPlayer retreats!



The heroes are discussing this developement:



Looks like not everybody really understood the orders that Kossin gave in the way that he ment them. One person anyhow... :



Displays that people can count on him. Always. And with having set such an example, the others follow silently.



280 AD, a sad day in the history of the chinese empire. Capture of Las Vegas came with heavy losses, but "with so much bad luck, chances should look good for the future battles" .

This is one of them, and I wanted to show those screens, because they illustrate the huge difference between a tripple-promoted Cho-Ko-Nu vs a CR2 Maceman:





This is already after having bombarded the city's cultural defenses and the screenshot itself is from 295 AD.



This screenshot is just to show that bcool's alive and eagerly xping in his aim to become a legend, and, it's the introduction for informing you that houston falls without any losses:



Meanwhile, the heroes near New Orleons are having "fun" too:



TMIT fails, but because of his sacrifice, New Orleons also falls without (serious:> ) losses:



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That was a hard piece of work. 3 cities fell with acceptable losses, and with Peter conquering a 4th city from Lincoln, he "slided" slightly downwards:



Everything really looks alright, though I could bet that there was something at that time, but I really cannot tell what it was... Maybe you can see something which I cannot?



I wanted to show something different... Here is the city that Peter conquered from Lincoln again:



This is already a few turns later, turns in which the heroes heal, and I wanted to show you what this means. My usual plans were to get those Spies to Asoka and Pacal, so I was planning a long time ahead at that time, but Peter conquering that city really changed things:



This is a topic that I wanted to handle in this writeup, topic is called something like "the power of espionage" , because that's one of the latest advancements I've made in Civ. It began with discovering Espionage at all in Replay #5, but it's only now, that I'm compmletely comfortable with it, and it's something I want you to discover yourself, as it's really very powerful!

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I'm gonna end this post here. I hope you found the latest update interesting and could laugh at least once, I know that it covered only very few turns, but well, that's just how it is. I'll try to report over a greater amount of time in the next part, while I will try to not cut on the fun and information.

Seraiel
 
Sera, I will read all your posts in this thread again and again once you are done with it. It is likely I will read them again so many times, I will learn them by heart. I may even refer to them, as you do sometimes with lines in your favorite movie!
:thumbsup:
 
I wanted to write the next part of the writeup right following this one, because I'm currently feeling good in general, but only having covered so few turns and not having funked up while reporting over them, is motivating me:

Lincoln is absolutely desolated. He attacks Houston with units that had little chances to win:



This gives me / us a good feeling, as we expect little resistance from Lincoln.

Anyhow, resistance is still too large, to simply walk into every city:



Showing the city the heroes are standing in front of in 340 AD. It's a hard fight:





And fully motivated by the example that STW sets, the others are following with more or less good results:









And with this, it's official: bcool achieved his dream to become a legend! The "bcool-technique" gets written down in the chinese history-books as the technique to "look extremely good in fights that are actually way too easy to just be won and therefor should be made more complicated to bring more joy to the spectators" .

(@ bcool: I hope this is ok for you. Maybe it'll help you if you see that you're not alone but that the picture show that you got great friends. Don't forget, that this is only attention you're getting, and I truely think that you're a good player since you beat me in G117. Interestingly enough btw., you also lost the first two attempts in that Gauntlet too, so try to take the explanation that I gave, it's really the best I could give ;) . )

This picture btw. shows that I, as a human, am also not playing perfect, because I forget to raze the city:



Time to finally get Engineering from Frederick:



And time to keep conquering: Lincolns hardest defended city falls with acceptable losses:



So Lincoln still has defenses, but Washington is in sight, and with newly aquired Engineering, a lot of additional tech-trades are possible:







This is what I tried to describe with "trading in batches" , trade A unlocks trade B which unlocks trade C and one trade follows the other.

Now here are the plans I had when playing that round: (This was something I thought I should tell you already before, it's not really that much)
  • With maintenance playing a huge role, construction of the Forbidden Palace has great value.
  • With more and more Civs having Knights, it's necessary to produce some Pikes.
  • Producing some Knights myself is something good again, as Knights are very strong units, they're units that could reach the Stack(s) easily due to them having 2-momement points, and the upgrade-cost from Knights to Cuirrassiers / Cavs is quite small.
Building the Forbidden Palace is something that's gonna be quite easy, as Lincoln was so nice to build Courthouses in most of the cities we conquered, so all we have to do is keep conquering to unlock the necessary number of courthouses, and all I change the production queues of some arbitary cities to Pikes while I chain-queue Knights in London.

I thought about DoWing De Gaulle because Atlanta was suffering from cultural pressure, thinking it wouldn't be a great problem to be in war with 2 empires simultaniously, and it were the final war-checks about which we already talked (i. e. checking borders for units) that stopped me:



That would have been funny if I hadn't seen that stack before (not) ...



Palo Alto, following the definition of whats a crap city. Only sources of food are from neighbouring cities, but as it's needed to block all land that lies east of it from Washington, I keep it.

If your head was turned on during the writeup, you knew this had to come:



I'd have really loved to stay in Police State for the whole round, but it was just not possible. I have to switch to REP somehow, because the only other option would be to have no research at all, and you'll agree with me that it's still way too early for this. We're still nowehere near Cavalries of which I think that they're really needed on maps like these, nor do we have Communism (which I underestimated) or at least Cuirrs.



The screenshot with which I want to end this part of the writeup, informing you that the Paper-Block lasted until 415 AD. I'll spoil this much though:
Spoiler :

The Paper-Block should turn out to be invaluable.


I hope you enjoyed this part of the writeup as you enjoyed the other parts, and that you'll leave some comments for me to react on. I unfortunately have to take a break now, as I'm noticing that I'm near to an old problem again, something I have to work on, I don't want to write further before it gets better.

I think you'll understand this.


Seraiel
 
Thanks for another two great parts! Sadly, I can't see the pictures on your last part...

On Espionage: How often do you usually turn up the slider to see what others are researching? I've noticed you doing it once during one of the last parts...I never did that as having turns without either research or gold revenue seems just too harsh, so I'd like to know how much you value the information on what others are researching.

It will be interesting to see how much Espionage Points you will be generating. The only cases in which I've used tech stealing so far are when generating an early Great Spy, or after I've at least built a number of Prisons. Without those, you still get huge discounts but lose out on a 75% commerce boost in your strongest city (and some in your other cities), so I'm not sure if it's worth it at that point already.

Also, could you explain (or point to a post that explains) more in detail how attack courage is calculated? I've often seen AI stacks suicide against mine (Rifles against Machine Guns etc.) so there seem to be some variable factors in there...
 
I can't see pics in posts #169 & #171. In any of 4 browsers. :undecide:

Photobucket's down? Maybe it'll fix itself? :dunno:
 
I think Seraiel may have exceeded his Photobucket bandwidth (no surprise there). They probably want him to pay for upgraded service. Or they're just down.
 
Probably bandwidth exceeded. (10GB per month)
Can check this in the top right on your account name where it says storage is ____ full, Get More button.

We all view a lot of eye-wateringly good Seraiel screenshots. :crazyeye:

Options are wait until October to start for a fresh 10GB of bandwidth. (Or maybe a bit later, depends on the day the account was started)

Pay $2.99 U.S. Dollars to get unlimited bandwidth for a month.

Pay $29.99 U.S. Dollars to get unlimited bandwidth for one year.


If money is an issue, I'd probably pay the $2.99 for the 1 month and then start moving the Replay screenshots over to another photo sharing website with a bigger monthly bandwidth limit for their free account.
Maybe there is a Photobucket promo code somewhere for 1 free month Pro or some discount in price? :hmm:


Imgur is one option.
They have no bandwidth limits, but if your uploaded picture isn't viewed once in 6 months, it gets deleted :cry:
And there are mumblings about some kind of 225 picture limit. You can have more pictures, but the old ones can never be modified once they are pushed past that limit.
http://imgur.com/help/images

Dropbox maybe? I think they cost more way money to go beyond 2GB of free stored pictures, but they have higher monthly bandwidth (Looks like 20GB per day, or 60 times photobucket :eek:). Does anyone use them to link pictures?
https://www.dropbox.com/help/45/en

More than 1 photobucket account is an option if there is no other option, but it would be a pain trying to remember which one is which. (Thanks Dubioza!)

This issue was mentioned in the Civ Illustrated group forum somewhere, but has never come up.
 
Or make a backup Photobucket account for times like this. I'm sure you have some old almost forgotten e-mail account somewhere. I know I do! :smug:
 
Yeah, I even see the

"Look who's popular. Is this your photo? Upgrade to Plus for additional bandwidth" message from Photobucket in place of the screenshots. I can still see the corresponding screenshot if I click on this message.
 
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TY all for making my writeups so popular that this could happen :) !

:bowdown:

I already tried to purchase an upgrade for Photobucket, but unfortunately, the site neither accepts my Credit-Card directly nor is it possible for me to pay with Paypal. I'll work on that.

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On Espionage: How often do you usually turn up the slider to see what others are researching? I've noticed you doing it once during one of the last parts...I never did that as having turns without either research or gold revenue seems just too harsh, so I'd like to know how much you value the information on what others are researching.

1 very short answer:

I find the information which tech another Civ is researching invaluable in situations, like:
  1. I'm having AI friends / Mansa Musa is in the game -> The tech my friend(s) / MM is researching, is the one I'll get next anyhow, so I don't have to research it myself.
  2. I need money to fuel my own research, but don't want to push the other AIs -> Seeing what AIs are researching helps me get the really good trades, like 3 turns of Civil Service (500 Beakers) for 500 Gold.
From my experience, investing the espionage always pays back or even creates profit, because of 2. and 1. has a great influence on the tech-decision. From having thought a lot about your question I have to say the question for me isn't "how much" , but "from when on" , and that's the time between Civil Service and Liberalism (so about Education) . Reaching Civil Service (or Music, if going that route) is of great importance, as it just has such a great impact on the economy (or in the case of Music, is mostly worthless if being late) . Education itself is a tech with little value but the techs that it unlocks, and seeing what others are researching prior to Liberalism is a question if the game allows it to invest that espionage, something that's simply not possible in the really hard games. Knowing when someone will reach Liberalism allows to finish Liberalism later than one would have to, if only knowing when sombody finished Education (seen in tech-screen, something one should check every turn) .

It will be interesting to see how much Espionage Points you will be generating. The only cases in which I've used tech stealing so far are when generating an early Great Spy, or after I've at least built a number of Prisons. Without those, you still get huge discounts but lose out on a 75% commerce boost in your strongest city (and some in your other cities), so I'm not sure if it's worth it at that point already.

75% in one city is something, but it's not too much in a round like that, where I had 20+ cities. I personally find that the point at which espionage gets really interesting is when having a holy city and / or a different state religion, so really early already. The holy-city btw. gives less benefit than one would think, iirc it gives "only" 15%, and my experience from that round is, that espionage is always cheaper than researching, which I assume from the tech-steals I conducted from Asoka, someone sitting as far away from London (place of the Palace) as possible on that map (and that map is already as Huge as it can get) .

Maybe it'll help if I say, that I've transfered my games as much towards espionage economy as possible from as early as possible, so basically from Alphabet onwards. These aren't my words, but "espionage is a very badly balanced feature that was only invented in the very late phase of Civ 4" .

Also, could you explain (or point to a post that explains) more in detail how attack courage is calculated? I've often seen AI stacks suicide against mine (Rifles against Machine Guns etc.) so there seem to be some variable factors in there...

For that question, you have to ask Tachywaxon. I think there may even be an answer in his own thread. From what I know, AIs with normal courage only attack with 50%+ odds.
 
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