Romney's Vulture Capitalism

Yeah, studying economics is just called economics, and studying business is just studying business. Most business schools don't require more than a few intermediate level economics classes. They don't get into advanced economics at all. So some foundational principles, but no depth of study.

The thing you have to keep in mind is that doing what is absolutely best for individual businesses is completely destructive when done for all businesses.
 
Haven't seen any proof that Romney participated in "vulture" capitalism. Even Obama surrogates say that he hasn't...

Wouldn't mind seeing some actual proof of this. Course I don't expect much from Paul Krugman oh sorry I mean Cutlass
 
OK. Bain engaged in both vulture capitalism and venture capitalism. Can you show that it did none of the vulture before 1999?
 
Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does...
Henry Blodget | Jul. 12, 2012, 1:45 PM


Today's bombshell report by the Boston Globe that Mitt Romney may have remained in charge of Bain Capital for three years after he claimed to have left has the potential to destroy Romney's credibility.

The issue boils down to statements that, at first glance, appear to directly contradict one another:

According to statements Bain filed with the SEC, Romney was the "chairman, CEO, and president" of Bain from 1999-2002.

According to Romney, Romney left Bain in 1999 and had "no input on investments or management of companies after that point."

Beyond determining whether these statements are accurate--or whether Bain misled the SEC or Romney has been misleading the public--the reason this issue is important is that Romney wants to disavow responsibility for anything Bain or Bain companies did after early 1999.

And one of the things that Bain did after early 1999, as Dan Primack of Fortune points out, is invest in a company called Stericycle whose services included the disposal of aborted fetuses.

For obvious reasons, an investment in a company that performed this service might hurt Romney's standing with the right-to-life voters in the Republican party, even though Romney was pro-choice at the time the investment was made.

And Romney also wants to disavow responsibility for many layoffs that Bain engineered after 1999, an issue he has had to deal with since running for Governor.

When the statements above are examined closely, however, it becomes clear that the Romney campaign may be treading a very fine rhetorical line here--one that it believes might allow Romney to dodge both bullets (the accuracy of his public statements and Bain's decisions).

Specifically...

Note that the Romney campaign does not deny that Romney was "chairman, CEO, and president" of Bain from 1999-2002.

What the Romney campaign says instead is that Romney "left" Bain in 1999 and had "no input on investments or management of companies after that point."

So, read to the legal letter, both of those statements may technically be true (or at least defensible).

Romney did leave Bain in 1999, at least for a leave of absence (he went to run the Olympics).

And it is possible that, once he left, he no longer had direct input into investment or management decisions.

However ...

As "Chairman, CEO, and President" of Bain, he damn well would have remained responsible for these decisions. In which case, saying he had "left" and implying that he had no involvement or responsibility whatsoever is highly misleading.

The CEO of a car company may not have input into the decision of what specific cars the company makes or where it makes them (though he or she obviously could if s/he wanted), but this CEO is unequivocally responsible for these decisions.

Similarly, if Romney was CEO of Bain at the time it made the Stericycle decision, as well as the company layoffs and other unpleasant facts that Candidate Romney would like to disown, he certainly was responsible for these decisions.

So, enough with walking a fine line rhetorically.

Here are the questions that the Romney campaign needs to answer:

Was Mitt Romney "chairman, CEO, and President" of Bain from 1999-2002 (even if he had physically "left" and was spending 100% of his time running the Olympics)? If the answer is "yes," then Romney is responsible for what Bain did during that period--full stop.

OR

Were the filings submitted to the SEC inaccurate?

The answer to those two questions cannot be "both." It's one or the other.

And if the answer is that Mitt Romney was chairman, CEO, and president of Bain for the years in which he has long tried to disavow any responsibility for what the firm did, the American public has every right to feel misled.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sorr...t-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7?op=1
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ure-from-bain/2012/07/12/gJQAASzUfW_blog.html

Why does it matter when Mitt Romney left Bain Capital?

Millions of dollars of attack ads by the Obama campaign are hanging in the balance. If Romney left Bain in February 1999, when he departed to run the Olympics, then a number of business deals that went sour (such as KB Toys) can’t be counted as part of Romney’s tenure. If he actually left in 2002, as the Obama campaign alleges, then those deals are fair game.

We have looked at this issue before, back in January, and thought we had settled it.

But now the Boston Globe has raised the issue again. The story seems to hinge on a quote from a former Securities and Exchange Commission member, which would have more credibility if the Globe had disclosed she was a regular contributor to Democrats. (Interestingly, “The Real Romney,” a book on the former Massachusetts governor, by Boston Globe reporters, states clearly that he left Bain when he went to run the Olympics and details the turmoil that ensued when he suddenly quit, nearly breaking up the partnership)

We’re considering whether to once again take a deeper look at this, though it really feels like Groundhog Day again. There appears to be some confusion about how partnerships are structured and managed, or what SEC documents mean. (Just because you are listed as an owner of shares does not mean you have a managerial role.)

To accept some of the claims, one would have to believe that Romney, with the advice of his lawyers, lied on government documents and committed a criminal offense. Moreover, you would have to assume he willingly gave up his share to a few years of retirement earnings — potentially worth millions of dollars — so he could say his retirement started in 1999.

UPDATE: Fortune obtained the offering documents for a Bain Capital Fund circulating in June 2000, as well as a fund in 2001. None of the documents show that Romney was listed as being among the “key investment professionals.” As Fortune put it, “the contemporaneous Bain documents show that Romney was indeed telling the truth about no longer having operational input at Bain -- which, one should note, is different from no longer having legal or financial ties to the firm.”

For interested readers, below is a summary of what we, FactCheck.org and Fortune magazine have previously concluded.
 
There were three things that didn't work for Rick Perry - his vulture capitalist attacks, his Brokeback Mountain commercial, and I forgot the other.

Oops.
I thought there was a fourth one, his treason. Or did people just kind of ignore that, as they are wont to do?
 
I think if Romney somehow was able to run a mega-corporation and manage the Olympics at the same time, he is one of the most qualified individuals to be President.
 
I think if Romney somehow was able to run a mega-corporation and manage the Olympics at the same time, he is one of the most qualified individuals to be President.

Well the options are either that he lied in the campaign and was responsible for the goings on in Bain during those years, or lied to the SEC, committing a felony offense. I'm not sure which is more painful for him.
 
Apparenty, Romney's supporters are asking that Bain be taken off the table in considering Romney's credentials to be President. So much for all the effort that Romney put into making it something that should be considered.
 
What Romney supporter is asking Bain to be taken off Romney's credentials? Romney supports might not want to have Romney blamed for things that happened at Bain under the leadership of a big Obama supporter... But what do I know I heard that on MSNBC they are in the bag for Romney.

Here is a CNN video debunking it the claim that Romney was involved in 2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSo5bTbwFoM&feature=player_embedded

Here is the link that I got it from. Biased I know but I'm pretty sure CNN isn't too conservative
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/07/...pporters-at-bain-confirm-romney-left-in-1999/
 
No your right don't read any of the reasonable explanations to what was going on. Fact Check is a crazy conservative hit piece. So is CNN. Darn that CNN and it's blatant right wing agenda.
 
What reasonable explanation can there be for paying a man more than $100,000 a year for doing absolutely nothing?
 
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