RR17 - Rage against the machines

[vranasm]

A radically different proposal for RR18.

I don't know how many of you all have been following Brennus.Quigley's threads on delayed BW but it could make an interesting challenge for a two team SG.

Maybe play Ramses on Great Plains (for non-bronze UU and chance of nabbing Oracle for caste). I couldn't think of a philosophical leader with a non bronze early UU.

Team A: No BW until n techs (2-4) have been bulbed.

Team B: BW must be one of first 5 techs learned.

Difficulty emperor or immortal.

hmm now I actually would take a part in this... great plains on emperor would suggest WC/HA stomp though... I am sure best conquest players would be very close to conquering whole map on them...
would have to recheck the HOF tables, but would be pretty close imo.

actually it would maybe make bulbing Feud into Guilds interesting play...

 

[LKendter]

Not sure about the new RR18 idea. I've still haven't played immortal, and still have ZERO interest. Even with all I've played I know the are some things I'm not seeing.

 

[Thrar]

Sounds like a very interesting idea to me. It might be better as a showcase SG rather than a competitive one though, with the goal to explore and demonstrate the strategy instead of going for the quickest possible win. Given enough interest of course we could still do two and simply compare different approaches taken by different people, and their respective results.

Count me in if you want to start a game like that. We probably should ask Brennus.Quigley if he wants to join as well, don't know if he visits the SG forum. I'd be very interested to see how the strategy turns out!

 

[r_rolo1]

Well, on pigswill idea ... I could do that, if people want it. I can relate to the fact that a culture game is by definition a long game ( even if you don't go gradual on it, there is little way of getting culture as fast as you can get cities most of the times ), so I can relate with the sentiment of slogging that long games bring ,especially in culture vics ....

 

[pigswill]

@LKendter. Immortal SG is much easier than immortal solo, probably comparable to emperor solo. It may be out of your comfort zone but that's not the same as beyond your ability to play and contribute succesfully.

Obviously down to the rest of Rolo's Roughnecks but I'm voting yes mischief.

 

[UnforcedError]

Is it too late to join? (If yes, I will lurk on...)

 

[r_rolo1]

No, it isn't ... atleast for RR18

By the sheer lack of ideas of my part ( wasn't expecting to see RR17 finishing so fast ). I think I'll go with pigswill idea of two teams doing a demo game about the diference BW does.

Because of that I would like that the interested parts to tell they are interested ( duh ) for me to have a roster of names to sort out in two teams. Just post something on the lines of "I'm interested"

 

[vranasm]

I am still interested with no preference of team (aka I fully accept the possibility of challenge of no-BW game...)

one thing should be agreed before though and that is if the team 'without BW' can

a) get it through early alphabet
b) at what point is allowed to selftech it (aka after bubling something with GE or some similar limitation which was discussed in that strategy article)

 

[astre]

ready for action.
Whatever team.

I also would like a clear detail of when the tech BW can be get.

 

[vanatteveldt]

Do you want to play until finish or until some sort of objective? If the latter, you should place the objective such that it can be reachable without ever teching BW, that would be clearest.

 

[UnforcedError]

I'd like to play too, whichever team I fit in.

Regarding the BW discussion I don't think getting to Alpha and then trade for BW would be enough to prove a point. I think the article referred explicitly to:
1. Bulbing something (maybe Feud) with a GE in case of stone and an early GE wonder or...
2. Delaying BW until after Liberalism to shorten the bulb route.

 

[pigswill]

I'm interested. Either team. I suggested that non-bronze team has to bulb some techs (2-4) before acquiring BW.

 

[astre]

anyone got a link to the original idea?

 

[UnforcedError]

Sorry, forgot to post it: The article and a test game. (The test game discussion kind of became an events or no events discussion later on...)

 

[astre]

thx.

Read the whole idea and my little test game was not at all on this direction. I just didn't understood the interest of no BW until i read the article..

I just went full numidian cavalery

Btw: the best leader for no BW is Ghengis khan by far

 

[vranasm]

well thinking about leader.... Mansa Musa should offer some interesting play

oh and i think events should be on, huts obviously not, but events yes.

 

[UnforcedError]

I don't think Brennus' test game start was the best choice to present the idea. I guess a high hammer low to normal food start is best and obviously not as much forest as one would be forced to tech BW immediately. Both Mansa or Genghis are OK I think for various reasons ... although I suppose Brennus had PHIL in mind. The idea relies too heavily on quick bulbs.

EDIT: Vran, what do you think events could prove?

 

[astre]

i'm afraid we already had our share of phi leader?
but maybe, i 'll live with it

 

[pigswill]

Sitting Bull? Philosophical, BW UU and powerful archers (with raxa and pole) early game.

 

[vanatteveldt]

Events are random but biassed against slavery, as slavery is (I think?) the only civic that has an associated quite negative event. I think in most of the games where you run slavery for a prolonger period, at least one city will get hit, resulting in lost production and population. So, events off is beneficial to the BW team...