Should family values be controlled by the government or by one's family?

[ComradeDavo]

The only morals that I feel the government should be able to enforce are those that protect people's well being, as in not stealing, killing and so on.

When it comes to issues such as drugs, gay marriage and so on, it should be the individuals choice.

 

[MobBoss]

The only morals that I feel the government should be able to enforce are those that protect people's well being, as in not stealing, killing and so on.

When it comes to issues such as drugs, gay marriage and so on, it should be the individuals choice.

So you advocate the legalisation of drugs? Do you have any grasp on what effect that would have?

Sorry, but doing drugs is not a family value by any definition of the phrase.

 

[IglooDame]

So you advocate the legalisation of drugs? Do you have any grasp on what effect that would have?

Sorry, but doing drugs is not a family value by any definition of the phrase.

And yet, so many families are doing drugs...

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

No, I think "family values" are distractions for our politicians to ignore real issues. Gay marriage and abortion don't effect anybody beyond the involved party, our exploding deficits, war in Iraq, and government pork affects the nation as a whole.

 

[Daghdha]

I'm quite fine with anyone deciding what to do without involvement from the government for as long as they accept to be left out when it comes to getting the benefits provided from that government, but they rarely do.
More often, people complaining about how the Man is controlling everything are the first ones to whine when they don't get from him what they believe they're entitled to.
I also wonder how you look upon kids in abusive families. I mean, fine, of course the family should decide how to raise their kids, but we all know that some do it by breaking their bones. What do you want to tell those kids?

 

[Shaihulud]

No it should not be enforced by the government, morality and family values should be enforced by the family, but within lawful statutes. Government ideas of morality are usually given by the "vocal minority", a small but vocal group that is sometimes out of touch with the normal people.

 

[cgannon64]

A hypothetical: A father and mother feel it is their right to have sex with their children, beginning at five years old.

 

[Kayak]

And yet, so many families are doing drugs...

Thanks for that reminder.

A hypothetical: A father and mother feel it is their right to have sex with their children, beginning at five years old.

Good point. How does one define harm to the individual?

 

[cgannon64]

The state defines that. So it's only up to the family... when it's not up to the state.

And when is it up to the state? When the state says it is.

 

[Kayak]

The state defines that. So it's only up to the family... when it's not up to the state.

And when is it up to the state? When the state says it is.

Who is the state?

 

[cgannon64]

The majority of the families!

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Who is the state?

C'est moi.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

It is the role of the government, as directed by the leader, to set out the values that should be cherished and held dear by approved families. Then they become family values.

 

[Aramazd]

A hypothetical: A father and mother feel it is their right to have sex with their children, beginning at five years old.

I guess this could be psychologically traumatic to the child, since people who have been molested as children are supposed to be more likely to be a child molester, so this logically would apply that having sex with a 5 year old is just as bad. Besides, that would be rape. I don't believe that any 5 year old is able to consent to sex.

Although this creates another question, when is a child old enough to consent to sex?

 

[ComradeDavo]

So you advocate the legalisation of drugs? Do you have any grasp on what effect that would have?

Sorry, but doing drugs is not a family value by any definition of the phrase.

What effect would that have? Well the whole illegal drugs trade would be wiped out for a start.

 

[downtown]

What effect would that have? Well the whole illegal drugs trade would be wiped out for a start.

i know its OT...but i dont think thats true. if drugs are legal, then they become regulated, and likely taxed.

ooooor, you can still get black market drugs tax free!

we still have blackmarket cig and booze trade here

 

[ComradeDavo]

i know its OT...but i dont think thats true. if drugs are legal, then they become regulated, and likely taxed.

ooooor, you can still get black market drugs tax free!

Well not completely wiped out, but significantly. Like in the Netherlands they do still have problems with hard drugs but the majority of weed is bought from coffe shops, and thats alot of weed.....

 

[MobBoss]

And yet, so many families are doing drugs...

Not all families. But if many are doing so, it just highlights the amount of attack traditional families are under. Gee, maybe having gay marriages will fix it....NOT.

 

[Blasphemous]

There's absolutely no place for morality in government. Morality is far too fluid and subjective to be a factor in government.
The government's job is to allow society to regulate itself for the purpose of surviving as a functioning society.
Although murder is immoral, that is not why it's illegal. It's illegal because if it were legal society would not be the way people want it to be.
Although the use of drugs is not immoral it's still illegal. It's illegal because people do not want a society where people are free to use drugs.
Morality can be a motive behind the citizens' opinions, but the government should limit its concern to the people's opinion and stay out of morality.

 

[North King]

The government's job is to make sure that those too weak to defend themselves are defended. That's why we call it civilization.

Past that is taking it too far...