Slavery Reparations: Is it time?

[useless]

Kinda hard to say there is a white male hegemony when there are a significant number of minorities and women at all levels of both business and government.

So you don't think that white and male priviledge exists?

 

[Crezth]

True or false...
Based SOLELY on race, different quantitative standards (GPA, test scores, etc) are applied to applicants when seeking college entrance?
End of story.

That's not quite how it works; AA simply prescribes against hiring patterns with trends of discrimination.

So would you give up your position for a qualified black applicant?

Not a bad point, if I'm honest. :thoughtful:

The correct altruistic response is "of course" but that implies all sorts of assumptions about the background of that black person, specifically. But it's not really about replacing white jobs with black jobs, it's about breaking down discrimination in hiring practices, which in large part persists to this day.

 

[luiz]

That's not quite how it works; AA simply prescribes against hiring patterns with trends of discrimination.

That would be fine. But AA gives bonuses to certain groups over others. You may feel that the bonuses are necessary, but you can't deny they exist.

 

[Cutlass]

That would be fine. But AA gives bonuses to certain groups over others. You may feel that the bonuses are necessary, but you can't deny they exist.

And discrimination both past and present gives bonuses to certain groups over others, but you can't deny they exist. Do the "bonuses" of AA overcome the bonuses of other factors? No.

 

[useless]

That would be fine. But AA gives bonuses to certain groups over others. You may feel that the bonuses are necessary, but you can't deny they exist.

Ah yes, the bonus of having an equal playing-field.

 

[Commodore]

So you don't think that white and male priviledge exists?

I do think it exists, but not nearly to the extent that those that support AA and reparations would have us think.

 

[Crezth]

I do think it exists, but not nearly to the extent that those that support AA and reparations would have us think.

So to what extent does it exist?

 

[Commodore]

So to what extent does it exist?

To the extent that it is just a lingering remnant of a time where the white male was truly dominant. That time is in it's twilight, and whether you want to believe it or not, racial and gender equality has never been better in the US than it is now. Economic equality is still lacking, but that is a different issue for a different thread.

 

[Crezth]

To the extent that it is just a lingering remnant of a time where the white male was truly dominant. That time is in it's twilight, and whether you want to believe it or not, racial and gender equality has never been better in the US than it is now. Economic equality is still lacking, but that is a different issue for a different thread.

I think the equality is better now than it has been, certainly, but is still a long way off from true egalitarianism.

I mean, to follow your line of digression on women: women only make 0.76 cents to the man's dollar. That suggests there is some inequality that persists in that department at least.

There is also an abundance of white males in corporate executive and government positions, far more than what would be a representative quantity.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Women do not make any less money than men with similar levels of experience though. Most women just happen to take time off to raise children at around the time that men start getting their first major raises and promotions.

 

[Ayn Rand]

I mean, to follow your line of digression on women: women only make 0.76 cents to the man's dollar. That suggests there is some inequality that persists in that department at least.

Worst statistic ever. You might want to point out the massive inequalities men suffer such as doing the most dangerous jobs, a biased education system and media, or massively losing out on property and children in unfair divorce settlements and so on.


But then again, white men are to blame for everything - so let's scapegoat them for that as well and make them all take women's history month, pay reparations and go to jail for hate speech if they don't agree with everything they're told. That will solve everything.

 

[Crezth]

Worst statistic ever. You might want to point out the massive inequalities men suffer such as doing the most dangerous jobs, a biased education system and media, or massively losing out on property and children in unfair divorce settlements and so on.

But then again, white men are to blame for everything - so let's scapegoat them for that as well and make them all take women's history month, pay reparations and go to jail for hate speech if they don't agree with everything they're told. That will solve everything.

You don't think white men literally rule the world?

 

[Ayn Rand]

You don't think white men literally rule the world?

Are you serious? Why not just blame Jews, or Masons, or the illuminati? Do you even know what scapegoating is?

 

[Crezth]

Are you serious? Why not just blame Jews, or Masons, or the illuminati? Do you even know what scapegoating is?

I guess I don't, but I also believe that white men have an overwhelming representation in almost all positions of power so I might be a little out of touch.

It's not about bringing whitey down. It's about bringing everyone else up.

 

[Quintillus]

I agree with downtown. Besides the whole logistical issues such as who would you take it from (you'd certainly anger a lot of people who felt they and their ancestors had no part in the original problem), reparations wouldn't do much good in the long term. Some people might put them to good use and improve their situation long-term, but most people who received them would probably end up in the same place they started out once the reparation money ran out. Whereas investing in bringing up the quality of education throughout America might not make as much of a splash in the short term, but overall would do much more to even out the playing field.

Reparations also might increase racial tensions due to perceived unfairness, which might counteract any benefit. Providing good education would be less controversial. There clearly are existing problems with people not wanting to pay for good education for everyone, but anger towards higher spending for that would be directed towards the politicians who made the change, more than the recipients of the improved education.

 

[Commodore]

I guess I don't, but I also believe that white men have an overwhelming representation in almost all positions of power so I might be a little out of touch.

It's not about bringing whitey down. It's about bringing everyone else up.

And that overwhelming representation is disappearing with each passing generation. That tells me that the system that is currently in place is working to elevate minorities. Sure, it may be working slower than some would like, but it is working so no additional laws or reparations are required.

I am of course only speaking on racial and gender inequality. I do think much, much more needs to be done about the current state of economic inequality.

 

[Crezth]

And that overwhelming representation is disappearing with each passing generation. That tells me that the system that is currently in place is working to elevate minorities. Sure, it may be working slower than some would like, but it is working so no additional laws or reparations are required.

Well, then, why all this opposition to affirmative action?

 

[Hygro]

True or false...
Based SOLELY on race, different quantitative standards (GPA, test scores, etc) are applied to applicants when seeking college entrance?
End of story.

False, because every prestigious college has their own but very holistic view of applicants to determine if they are an appropriate fit for their school. There are many different ways of measuring merit, and some of those methods require a more human understanding than test scores can provide.

 

[Commodore]

Well, then, why all this opposition to affirmative action?

Because people misunderstand it. I don't necessarily oppose AA but I do oppose its supporters, if that makes sense. I oppose its supporters because some of them try to make people think that racial equality now is no better than before the Civil Rights Movement. Since this claim is most assuredly false, I refuse to throw my lot in with AA supporters.

 

[useless]

Worst statistic ever. You might want to point out the massive inequalities men suffer such as doing the most dangerous jobs, a biased education system and media, or massively losing out on property and children in unfair divorce settlements and so on.


But then again, white men are to blame for everything - so let's scapegoat them for that as well and make them all take women's history month, pay reparations and go to jail for hate speech if they don't agree with everything they're told. That will solve everything.

White men; The true victims of racial injustice