Slavery Reparations: Is it time?

[warpus]

If any companies who profited from slavery want to pay reparations, feel free. Same with families who's ancestors used to own slaves.

 

[luiz]

Probably a lot of American blacks descend from slave owners themselves. In Brazil I know a lot does.

 

[bhsup]

Would reparations for Southern Blacks have been appropriate in 1975, for segregation?

WOuld reparations be appropriate in 2012 for Northern latinos?

(yes, yet again I am trying to point out that the North has no real basis for pointing at the South and going "boo racists" without first looking at its own backyard with a huge freaking magnifying glass)

 

[Cutlass]

So is everybody with indian blood entitled to reparations? This includes Johnny Depp, Angelina Jolie, and probably tens of millions (if not the majority) of white Americans. What is the Indian threshold that must be met for someone to qualify for those reparations? How is that determined? Racial science, nazi textbooks? Or is self-identification the way to go?

Indian tribes are still getting special privileges in many cases. Particularly to do things that are otherwise illegal in the states. Like casinos.

 

[Cutlass]

Reparations might be a misleading term for that. Most Indian lands were ceded via legal treaties between nominally independent nations (US vs. respective tribe)
With specific treaty regulations frequently ignored by the US gouvernment, the most blatant cases of fraud have resulted in compensations awarded by commissions and courts. In some cases there appear to have been pretty nasty strings attached to those compensations.
AFAIK the money goes to the respective tribal governments (example the Black Hills case), federal government entities charged with indian affairs or to the affected indivuals (example for both the latter the Cobell case).
In any case you have to be the member of a federally recognized tribe to have any chance to get money, and if there are per capita payments at all, the amount of money tend to be not exactly overwhelming.

I am no lawyer, but I would think "reparations" describe extrajudicial payments.
AFAIK, there has not been any (substantial) "reparations" aimed explicitely to compensate for the historical, continental scale ethnic cleansing suffered by the Indian tribes.

"Ceded" with a gun to their heads....

 

[Traitorfish]

Indian tribes are still getting special privileges in many cases. Particularly to do things that are otherwise illegal in the states. Like casinos.

Yes, but in the absence of African-American "tribes", let alone federally recognised ones, means that isn't much of a precedent. Perhaps if black nationalism had been more effective an ideology back in the day we could talk about paying reparations to the Commonwealth of New Ethiopia or whatever, but as it is...

 

[Cutlass]

Yes, but in the absence of African-American "tribes", let alone federally recognised ones, means that isn't much of a precedent. Perhaps if black nationalism had been more effective an ideology back in the day we could talk about paying reparations to the Commonwealth of New Ethiopia or whatever, but as it is...

Well yeah, it's a much more difficult situation. Which is why we should maybe compromise and make sure all the young blacks get as full of an opportunity for a good education as whites do. And then shut the frak up about AA so they have an even chance at life.

 

[kochman]

By "even chance", he means, of course, statistical advantage in their favor...

 

[Traitorfish]

And by "statistical advantage in their favour" you mean, of course, "empowered to pose a threat to the hegemony of the white male". If we're playing that petty game.

 

[Cutlass]

By "even chance", he means, of course, statistical advantage in their favor...

AA doesn't do that. Never did in the past, never would in the future. Complete strawman argument.

 

[kochman]

True or false...
Based SOLELY on race, different quantitative standards (GPA, test scores, etc) are applied to applicants when seeking college entrance?

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

True or false...
Based SOLELY on race, different quantitative standards (GPA, test scores, etc) are applied to applicants when seeking college entrance?

False - and illegal. This has already been covered in a court case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke

 

[Traitorfish]

Yeah, I thought AA typically used a points system, which is generally integrated into the existing systems that a lot of colleges use anyway for, e.g. local residents, children of alumni, graduates from highly-rated schools, and so on.

 

[kochman]

False - and illegal. This has already been covered in a court case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke

Neither false nor illegal (except in CA).
You need to re-read... because you are misinterpreting (though CA did totally change their rules, the decision from the SC did not force the level of change they implimented).

Here's the gist of what's wrong with your article...
Reserving a certain number of seats per race, with no clear quantitative standards, is different from having a clearly defined and differentiated quantitative standards per race without regards to number of seats per race.

In other words... You can't just save 10 seats for black people and the best 10 black applicants get them no matter, but you can say black people can have point totals that are 10 points less than whites/asians, without considering how many seats will go to which race.

 

[Crezth]

By "even chance", he means, of course, statistical advantage in their favor...

In whose favor? AA is just leveling the playing field. It's not like it gives massive advantages to African-Americans, especially when those individuals don't exactly benefit from good socio-economic conditions to begin with.

 

[kochman]

In whose favor? AA is just leveling the playing field. It's not like it gives massive advantages to African-Americans, especially when those individuals don't exactly benefit from good socio-economic conditions to begin with.

True or false...
Based SOLELY on race, different quantitative standards (GPA, test scores, etc) are applied to applicants when seeking college entrance?
End of story.

 

[amadeus]

In whose favor? AA is just leveling the playing field.

So would you give up your position for a qualified black applicant?

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

True or false...
Based SOLELY on race, different quantitative standards (GPA, test scores, etc) are applied to applicants when seeking college entrance?
End of story.

exactly, we need socio-economic AA.

 

[Commodore]

And by "statistical advantage in their favour" you mean, of course, "empowered to pose a threat to the hegemony of the white male". If we're playing that petty game.

Kinda hard to say there is a white male hegemony when there are a significant number of minorities and women at all levels of both business and government.

 

[Mad Man]

What if every white person is made to give a heart felt apology to every black person they see and then give them a big teary eyed hug? I think that should count as reparations and we can continue to move forward into the future together on the backs of migrant workers.