SM1 - Sid challenge

[Own]

I'd rather go north. South expands the front, not what we need. We only have two locations by which they can attack us, and both are on hills and walled. I'd like to stay there for a while, a pretty long while, until we get catapults and an army.

 

[zerksees]

Also we can't use wonders as pre-build, because AI will get them fast. Let's finish settler and start pre-build...

OK just a second.....
Now that my head is back on straight , you're right we can't put SoZ in the capital because of the prebuild. I was too busy looking as shield counts.

I can go along with finishing settler then starting pre-build. Maybe we should mine one of the cows to speed up the shields.

After that the additional settlers can come from the capital and eventually from Kish. I think that to finish the eastern flank we can either attempt to get to the hill, or try to go further north, and assume the AI will attack Sumer instead of having to walk so much further to their doom. We should get a few archers up though so we can take out any settlers that might be headed to east/north.

When more elites come and we get our first leader, we could consider the second for rushing SoZ, and switch our prebuild to FP (if enough cities) or heroic epic.

I want more cities and more workers. The faster cities get laid down the faster walls and barracks can go up, and the faster gold will flow for technologies.

 

[Smart]

When more elites come and we get our first leader, we could consider the second for rushing SoZ, and switch our prebuild to FP

It isn't vanilla, we can't rush wonders
I think first leader should go for EW army to defend our cities vs swords - we saw not too much JT's, because their cost is 30 shields instead 20 for archers. Second will be used for army of AC's when we will get SoZ. We haven't time to waste leaders for FP or HE...

I think that to finish the eastern flank we can either attempt to get to the hill, or try to go further north, and assume the AI will attack Sumer instead of having to walk so much further to their doom.

They will build cities on the eastern jungle soon, and I think they will attack more easy targer. With walls city on hill will get defence of 4.5, and it isn't easy target even for swords. Better is to capture those cities on flatland later.

Got it, I will play today

 

[zerksees]

I don't know the specifics of what can be rushed with MGL, though I am pretty sure the palace can, as can certain small wonders like heroic epic, intelligence agency, military academy. I was not sure about MGL rushing wonders that provided military benefit, like SoZ, Leo's or Sun Tzu. AFAIK you could rush great wonders in PTW.

If what you say is true about cities on flatlands, soon their swords should be walking past Lagash on the way to Kish. I really doubt this will happen but we can watch and learn.

 

[Smart]

If you will rush palace, you couldn't switch it to any wonder. Just test it - pop-rush even 10 shields on worker, and you will not be able to switch production to Graat Wonder.
In you can MGL-rush only improvements and small wonders, like FP or Heroic Epic. But they have added Scientiftc Great Leaders (SGL), and they could be used to rush anything.

 

[Smart]

Pre-turn
Move two EW's from cow to mined BG to prevent pillaging. MM Sumer and Lagash.
Send one elite EW to pillage

IBT
One JT was died attacking EW on mined bg. It seems like they want to pillage it. [1-0]
Researching Math on minimum.

Turn 1
IBT
Sumer: Settler >> Palace

Turn 2
Send settler to hills.

Turn 4
Ivory is connected, lux to 10%.

Turn 5
Setup EW wall to block the way to capital
Kish grew, send one regular EW for MP.

Turn 6
Umma was founded, fortify 3 EW's there. Start building walls (20 turns)
Switch Kish to settler.

Turn 7
Mayan JT's are moving when I open/close the way to capital. Good...

Turn 8
IBT
Two EW's were killed, mayan JT with two hp left is on Ivory and want to pillage it. They have ensalved two slaves. [1-2]
Mayans have changed their goverment to Monarchy.

Turn 9
Took a risk, and attached JT with vet EW - I won [2-2]
IBT
Again lose EW on Ivory... [2-3]

Turn 10
Bring two EW's to defend Ivory.
Capture one ensalved worker.

 

[Smart]

Our small civilization, dotmap, and comments for the next player:

Pillaging way:

Roster:
Smart - just played
Own - UP
nerovats - on deck
zerksees
Whomp - skips till further notice

Save: SM1c_1500_BC.SAV

 

[Own]

Got it. Play soon.

 

[zerksees]

I suggest putting a veteran EW in Kish - maybe they are trying to pass Lagash to get to Kish as I predicted, and the regular EW is perceived as the weakest link.

 

[Smart]

I think they want to pillage Ivory. I was too late and they have attacked unfortified EW's. We have to fortify two EW's on Ivory, and they will not attack them, like EW's on cow near Sumer.
If we will put vet EW in Kish, it still will be the weakest target, because all other cities are on hills and have walls, also capital have 50% defence bonuce because of size 7

 

[Whomp]

I should have new discs in hand tomorrow and will install them.

 

[Smart]

Own? Nero?

 

[Whomp]

I got my discs today and can be slotted in anywhere. I have Gmaharriet01 tonight.

 

[Smart]

Wellcome back!
The save is free for grabs, you can take it if Own will not play current turnset, or Nerovats will not post a "got it" before you

 

[conquer_dude]

Lurker's Comment: This is an interesting game and it is bone chilling to me to see you guys surviving these attacks. Great job.

 

[Ansar]

lurker's comment: why are the mayan names, with a 6, and not an "a"?

 

[madviking]

Some compies have different type settings I suppose...

 

[Smart]

It was "a" with ' sign on the top, but it is showing for me as "6". I don't know how to fix it, it was happend only with Mayan city names

 

[nerovats]

Own are you still playing??
I'll take it this afternoon when no sign of you.

 

[Own]

Oh god I forgot. I was bored too, wishing I was up in an SG . You can take it now nero if you wnt.