Smoking weed and shooting guns are the true signs of freedom

[classical_hero]

The 3rd guy in Tim Lincecum, a star pitcher for the current MBL champions, San Fran.

 

[CaptainF]

Cute. Insults instead of issues. You must be a Democrat.

Touchy feely much?

Michael Phelps: Suspended for three months after using a bong and is now involved with Project Believe.

Was also involved with Project Believe before he got busted. What makes you think he's stopped?

I don't know who the third guy is, but in any case you chose two out of three celebrities who stopped smoking pot and have been involved in anti-drug movements. Great examples!

Here
Here
and Here

Just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Ataxerxes]

I"ll bite.

Where does freedom stop? Should it be legal to yell fire in a crowded theater. Everybody has different definitions of where freedom should stop where society can be threatened by it. I don't think free guns and weed show a great society.

I don't like smoking weed - probably more dangerous than tobacco. However, although relatively conservative, I favor making it legal. I'd rather have the government collect taxes on selling it than paying taxes to have somebody try to stop it. U.S. hasn't learned from prohibition.

Free guns is another matter. I don't favor every wacko having access to a gun. You may cite it as cowardly, but I don't believe in playing Russian Roulette to prove I'm not a coward. Some sense is required. I think people should be allowed to have a gun if they (a) have a good background check (don't want somebody who just got out of jail to be able to have one) and (b) can prove they can handle it. I'm not worried about some moron killing himself (that's just natural selection) but about innocent people being hurt or killed because "Oh, gee, it went off."

 

[JollyRoger]

Cute. Insults instead of issues. You must be a Democrat.

Is that an insult or issue?

 

[GamezRule]

Weed is not more dangerous then tobacco, it doesn't cause cancer and is much less addictive, and you really are much more functional when you are high then drunk. Here is a chart that I used for a report on heroin last year. I have checked out most of it, and it is trustworthy.

Spoiler :

 

[CaptainF]

I don't like smoking weed - probably more dangerous than tobacco.

Far less dangerous, actually.

However, although relatively conservative, I favor making it legal. I'd rather have the government collect taxes on selling it than paying taxes to have somebody try to stop it. U.S. hasn't learned from prohibition.

'atta boy!

Free guns is another matter. I don't favor every wacko having access to a gun. You may cite it as cowardly, but I don't believe in playing Russian Roulette to prove I'm not a coward.

I think even the most pro-gun people aren't in favor of having known violent felons legally able to possess guns.

Some sense is required. I think people should be allowed to have a gun if they (a) have a good background check (don't want somebody who just got out of jail to be able to have one)

Depends on what they got out of jail for.

If they just got out of jail for being busted with weed, for example, why not?

and (b) can prove they can handle it.

How do you prove this?

Basic knowledge of how to handle a firearm is really all that's needed.

Don't point at anything you don't intend to shoot, always assume it's loaded, keep it unloaded when in storage.

I'm not worried about some moron killing himself (that's just natural selection) but about innocent people being hurt or killed because "Oh, gee, it went off."

If that happens, it's usually their own damn fault.

One of the most common ways people get killed with guns is when kids discover daddy's shotgun in the closet and then decide to play cops and robbers. Parents simply need to mind their firearms better.

 

[_random_]

I have yet to meet a stoner who had any sort of sucess in life, so it's my personal experience I'm coming from. Just saying.

There's a good chance that you have. People tend not to be open about their lawbreaking. As for the OP, I think there's far too high of a chance that this would happen:

Link to video.

 

[JollyRoger]

Cute. Insults instead of issues. You must be a Democrat.

Nope, just a successful stoner.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Cute. Insults instead of issues. You must be a Democrat.



Michael Phelps: Suspended for three months after using a bong and is now involved with Project Believe.

Arnold: Smoked pot at one point. He recently opposed Proposition 19. (Admittedly, this wasn't entirely because he was anti-marijuana).

I don't know who the third guy is, but in any case you chose two out of three celebrities who stopped smoking pot and have been involved in anti-drug movements. Great examples!

People who smoked weed, became successful, then quit still doesn't burst your bubble that people can't smoke weed and be successful?

I mean, everyone quits at some point, though how much of Phelps case, at least, was more for PR reasons?

 

[SKILORD]

Michael Phelps is a traitor and a coward, his actions do not count as those of a rational stoner, he has been disowned, I have personally decreed it.

TONS of people who smoke and advocate cannabis opposed Prop 19, it was a exceptionally poorly worded law.

But the real point is that people who engage in criminal behaviors and still have successful lives... don't advertise their criminal habits. Might as well pretend that successful people don't speed or that they always buckle up.

Bill Clinton? Jimmy Carter? Barack Obama? Yeah, that drug is TOTALLY addictive and dangerous. We should all just take opiates for everything, they're sooo much better.

AND IF people CAN quit it whenever they want to, if it is that non-addictive and has no health consequences.... well then what is your problem?

 

[*****]

There's a good chance that you have. People tend not to be open about their lawbreaking. As for the OP, I think there's far too high of a chance that this would happen:

Link to video.

That's a fair concern. It's true that people get high, sit on their couch, and watch TV often. Then they often laugh at ridiculous anti-drug PSAs that have no basis in reality.

 

[Tee Kay]

So is everyone from Apolyton now migrating over here or something?

Has the CivFanatics community finally "won"?

It's a Pyhrric victory.

 

[Communisto]

I thought Canada had an inferiority complex.

 

[Ataxerxes]

Far less dangerous, actually.

'atta boy!

I think even the most pro-gun people aren't in favor of having known violent felons legally able to possess guns.

Depends on what they got out of jail for.

If they just got out of jail for being busted with weed, for example, why not?

How do you prove this?

Basic knowledge of how to handle a firearm is really all that's needed.

Don't point at anything you don't intend to shoot, always assume it's loaded, keep it unloaded when in storage.

If that happens, it's usually their own damn fault.

One of the most common ways people get killed with guns is when kids discover daddy's shotgun in the closet and then decide to play cops and robbers. Parents simply need to mind their firearms better.

"Far less dangerous" isn't necessarily true. More so than tobacco, weed depends upon the potency of the sample and how you take it. Smoking is the worst way for health and, I believe (don't use it, so am not sure), the most common method. Long-term effects are still unclear. We now a lot more about the long-term effects of tobacco (personally, I object to tobacco more because it smells worse to me.

Regarding guns, restricting them to some, such as felons (which we agree is often a bad idea) isn't total freedom. I think we're more arguing the degree of freedom.

You can't totally prove gun safety, but I'd mandate a class in it to get a license and some form of a test - at least to show you aren't a significant risk to shoot somebody you werent' aiming it.

 

[civver_764]

I just got arrested for the first time ever last night because some self-righteous jackass didn't like that I was smoking weed and called the cops. Now I can legitimately hate the government.

 

[Bill3000]

I just got arrested for the first time ever last night because some self-righteous jackass didn't like that I was smoking weed and called the cops. Now I can legitimately hate the government.

You shouldn't hate the government; you should hate your own inability to smoke discretely. That stuff smells awful, man.

 

[civver_764]

I was outside in the middle of nowhere(or at least as close as I could get) and someone decided to drive by. We weren't doing anything to them at all. People need to learn to mind their own business.

 

[SKILORD]

The forum censor will not permit me to quote NWA's thoughts on the subject, but I do stand with Easy, Dre and Cube on the "police" issue.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[Bill3000]

I was outside in the middle of nowhere(or at least as close as I could get) and someone decided to drive by. We weren't doing anything to them at all. People need to learn to mind their own business.

And you should realize that you're taking a risk by doing illegal activities. The fact that you believe it ought to not be illegal doesn't change the fact that it is.

 

[civver_764]

It's alright my parents were surprisingly cool with it. If I end up getting probation that screws up my future plans for college a bit though..

And you should realize that you're taking a risk by doing illegal activities. The fact that you believe it ought to not be illegal doesn't change the fact that it is.

A little civil disobedience never hurt anybody.