Steve Jobs is a GP

When PCs so thoroughly dominate the computer market, I don't think the term "fanboy" is very applicable to their owners.

Yet when iPhones dominated the smart phone market and when iPads currently dominate the tablet market, PC fanboys are quick to call those apple users "fanboys".

Thus the double standard: Any apple user is a fanboy, any PC user is not.
 
It's pretty obvious YOU are the fanboy here.

Also, sweeping generalizations are silly. Stop making them.
 
It's pretty obvious YOU are the fanboy here.

Also, sweeping generalizations are silly. Stop making them.

I love how you call me a fanboy when you don't even know what computer I own (or for that matter, any electronic device).

The people on THIS thread are the ones making sweeping generalizations. Well some of them anyway. And yes, "Apple products have made the world lazy and fat" would be a sweeping generalization.

To put things in perspective, would someone that says "Microsoft has made the world lazy and fat" be a fanboy? The answer is absolutely YES.

And just so you know, I'm a Microsoft user.

Just because I'm fair and defend both Microsoft and Apple from vicious unfair attacks makes me a fanboy? I think not.
 
Whatever you choose to call what you're doing certainly makes you self-righteous, if nothing else.
 
Whatever you choose to call what you're doing certainly makes you self-righteous, if nothing else.

So I'm self righteous just because I'm not extremely biased or close minded? Fine with me.
 
So I'm self righteous just because I'm not extremely biased or close minded? Fine with me.
No, because you think you're better than everyone else because you think you're some righteous moral crusader fighting against the scourge of bias. :pat:
 
PC vs Mac is always a good watch.

FTR, I think the inclusion of SJ is pretty neat. Oh, and I hate Mac computers, but that's a personal thing.
 
I love how you call me a fanboy when you don't even know what computer I own (or for that matter, any electronic device).
As much as I don't like getting embroiled in these disputes (and as much as Zack's comments weren't particularly fair and became indignant surprisingly quickly), did you not just say:
I see the PC fanboys (yes fanboys) have targeted this thread... :rolleyes:
Evidently without knowing what computers all but one of the posters in this thread own?

Maybe it would be better if you didn't throw accusations of fanboyism around.
 
As much as I don't like getting embroiled in these disputes (and as much as Zack's comments weren't particularly fair and became indignant surprisingly quickly), did you not just say:Evidently without knowing what computers all but one of the posters in this thread own?

Maybe it would be better if you didn't throw accusations of fanboyism around.

The reason I'm not a fanboy is not because of what computers I do or do not own, but because I don't go on fanboy rants.

"Microsoft can't do anything right" or "apple is for rich hipsters and that only" would examples of fanboy comments, which I have never made a single one. My basis of when people are fanboys is when they go off in fanboy rants, which they have done in this thread. What computer they use, I could not care less.
 
I suppose I don't have any particular problem with it, although if it's only Gods and Kings, the timing is questionable (if it's base vanilla Civ5, it's still questionable for timing reasons, but for different timing reasons... it'd be like making Bill Gates or Stephen Hawking a Great Person in that case). I do find it interesting that they chose Great Merchant. If they'd gone with Steve Wozniak, I'm pretty sure they would have chosen either Great Engineer or Great Scientist - probably the former.

Also not sure why this is in Off Topic instead of Civ5, but w/e.

"Microsoft can't do anything right" or "apple is for rich hipsters and that only" would examples of fanboy comments, which I have never made a single one. My basis of when people are fanboys is when they go off in fanboy rants, which they have done in this thread. What computer they use, I could not care less.

A fanboy doesn't have to make comments all over the place, or necessarily bash the competition for reasons such as "not being able to do anything right", though that is one type. There's also the type that mindlessly buys all of the company's products, in the case of Apple likely because they are "cool", despite not actually using any of the features that they might offer over their competitors, and quite possibly actually being better-suited (either cost-wise or functionality-wise, or both) by a competing offering that they completely ignored. I'd consider people who buy iPhones and Macs simply to surf the web, make calls, send texts, and snap a few photos, when they could do so equally well for far less with competing products, fanboys/fangirls. They've paying for the logo.

I wouldn't include people who actually use software that only works on Macs and has no similar offerings elsewhere, or people who buy them because of a long and reliable history with the company (or a lot of existing Mac-only software), or people who use an iPhone/Mac but aren't terrified of being seem using a product without a piece of fruit on it. I also wouldn't automatically include people who said opposing fanboys have come out, since it is quite possible to suspect fanboyism without being one. But what computer they use, I think it does matter. If all you've ever used are PCs and Commodores, your Apple fanboy credentials are pretty weak.

There's the equivalent of fanboyism with other products, of course. The person who always buys Chevys even though their Chevys always break down, because they're "the best". The person who always orders Budweiser but hasn't actually tried anything else because they're "the best" (if they've tried lots of beers and still prefer it, that's different). Generally, it's whenever someone buys "the brand that's the best because it's the best" - clear cases of begging the question.
 
I suppose I don't have any particular problem with it, although if it's only Gods and Kings, the timing is questionable (if it's base vanilla Civ5, it's still questionable for timing reasons, but for different timing reasons... it'd be like making Bill Gates or Stephen Hawking a Great Person in that case). I do find it interesting that they chose Great Merchant. If they'd gone with Steve Wozniak, I'm pretty sure they would have chosen either Great Engineer or Great Scientist - probably the former.

Also not sure why this is in Off Topic instead of Civ5, but w/e.



A fanboy doesn't have to make comments all over the place, or necessarily bash the competition for reasons such as "not being able to do anything right", though that is one type. There's also the type that mindlessly buys all of the company's products, in the case of Apple likely because they are "cool", despite not actually using any of the features that they might offer over their competitors, and quite possibly actually being better-suited (either cost-wise or functionality-wise, or both) by a competing offering that they completely ignored. I'd consider people who buy iPhones and Macs simply to surf the web, make calls, send texts, and snap a few photos, when they could do so equally well for far less with competing products, fanboys/fangirls. They've paying for the logo.

I wouldn't include people who actually use software that only works on Macs and has no similar offerings elsewhere, or people who buy them because of a long and reliable history with the company (or a lot of existing Mac-only software), or people who use an iPhone/Mac but aren't terrified of being seem using a product without a piece of fruit on it. I also wouldn't automatically include people who said opposing fanboys have come out, since it is quite possible to suspect fanboyism without being one. But what computer they use, I think it does matter. If all you've ever used are PCs and Commodores, your Apple fanboy credentials are pretty weak.

There's the equivalent of fanboyism with other products, of course. The person who always buys Chevys even though their Chevys always break down, because they're "the best". The person who always orders Budweiser but hasn't actually tried anything else because they're "the best" (if they've tried lots of beers and still prefer it, that's different). Generally, it's whenever someone buys "the brand that's the best because it's the best" - clear cases of begging the question.

1. Hating everything apple makes is just as stupid as loving everything apple makes. And some of the posts in this thread have leaned towards hating everything apple makes.

2. Who cares if someone uses an Apple product without using the apple exclusive software? As long as they're not OBNOXIOUS about it, they're not hurting anyone are they? And by obnoxious, I mean bashing PC's. I've seen far more Mac bashing than I have seen PC bashing, thus, there are more PC fanboys, at least on this forum.

3. If someone has only used PC's in their life, would they be a Microsoft fanboy? You still haven't answered that.
 
When I first saw the title I thought GP meant general practitioner, but then upon reading it and finding it was start in Civ5, it makes more sense that it is talking about a Great Person. While I will never buy a single Apple product, many people will and thus they make money.
 
I have an i pad, I won it in a competition, I have a Nokia phone from 1982, I don't own a PC that is connected to the net it has only ever been used for Civ.

Please advise me as to what side I'm on here so I can fire up and contribute here.
 
Apples products are for snobs. Almost every person I seen who has an iphone or whatever, just wants to show it off and brag.

So why is Bill Gates not in the game?
 
I would say that Steve Jobs had a far bigger personal impact on the world than Bill Gates, at least in terms of his celebrity. 'Greatness', after all, is a measure of influence.
 
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