Synagogue Shooting in Pittsburgh

You shouldn't.

I do understand that this is an entitled thing for me to say.

But you shouldn't. They're both guilty and it's a Schrödinger's cat thing one way or another.
You may be happy that your partisan camp remains unscathed in light of said election.
But you will surely appreciate both hands wished the same death, no matter which one dealt the blow.

Oh sure, I'm not at all a fan of the way I feel compelled to think of the political implications of every tragic event like this, and that I know most other politically engaged people think the same way. But it's a country where there are only two parties of any import, where all norms of restraint have collapsed, and where one of the parties is basically just evil.

Imagine that somehow AfD became hugely popular. All the other parties are forced to band together into a grand mega-coalition. Even then, the mega-coalition just barely fails to stop it, and AfD gets its majority.

Flash forward to the weeks before the next general election. Things haven't gotten quite as bad as the last time there was a far right chancellor, but Muslims and immigrants are being scapegoated on a regular basis; election laws have been altered to reduce opposition turnout, make disenfranchisement easier, and set up structural advantages to favor AfD; the composition of the judiciary has been altered; and so on and so forth. Basically, things are like modern Hungary and Poland. AfD is polling a few points short of a majority, though, and it appears more likely than not that the coalition will be able to form the next government. But the outcome is far from certain.

A week and a half before the election, someone shoots up or bombs a synagogue, killing 11 people. I recognize that this would be considered uniquely bad because of certain unpleasantries in German history, but bear with me.

Suppose you find out about it just as the first reports are coming in. Nobody is certain yet who the killer is. But there are basically two possibilities:

1. The killer is a neo-Nazi or related right-wing extremist.
2. The killer is an Islamic extremist.

Would you not have a preference for which one it is? A preference strong enough that it outweighs any real concern for the victims?
 
Thousands gather for vigil honoring victims in Squirrel Hill shooting

More than 3,000 people from the Pittsburgh community turned out for a vigil Saturday night for an interfaith candlelight vigil of Hebrew and English songs and hymns to honor the 11 victims of the mass shooting earlier in the day at a Squirrel Hill synagogue.

As the Jewish Sabbath ended at sundown, students from Allderdice High School who organized the vigil, led the gathering at the intersection of Murray and Forbes avenues with a “prayer for healing.”


The vigil began at Sixth Presbyterian Church, where the pews were filled to capacity and people stood all along the walls and sat on the floor where there was space.

The Rev. Vincent Kolb of Sixth Presbyterian, located across the street from the Jewish Community Center, began by alluding to a former worshiper in those pews, the late Fred “Mister” Rogers.

Heeding his message of “love, neighborliness and peace,” he said, “it is in that spirit of neighborliness that we gather here tonight to be allies to our Jewish neighbors who have been victimized and traumatized by this tragedy.”

He added: “We gather because we are heartbroken but also to show zero tolerance for anti-Semitic speech, anti-Semitic behavior and anti-Semitic violence.” That drew a standing ovation.

Rabbi Keren Gorban of Temple Sinai, which like other Squirrel Hill synagogues went in lockdown Saturday morning, had the crowd learn and repeat a chant in Hebrew for: "May you spread your shelter of peace over us.”

And Wasi Mohamed, executive director of the Islamic Center of Pittsburgh, said Muslims had already raised $15,000 to aid the Pittsburgh Jewish community in its response to the tragedy.

“Obviously we're all heartbroken, but how many of you are angry?” he said as hands raised all over. “And how could we not be? People were stolen from us.”

He read Quranic verse that says the way to respond to an evil deed is with a better deed. He said the Jewish community has done that all along.

“I cannot walk 10 feet in this city without seeing something great the Jewish community has done,” he said, citing charitable efforts such as refugee resettlement of Muslims and others.



Rev. Kolb led in a recitation of the 23rd Psalm, beginning, ”The Lord is my shepherd…." and he also quoted a Bible verse resonant with the tragedy: “We long for a day when the leaves of the tree of life will be for the healing of all the peoples.”

As darkness gathered outside, signaling the end of the Jewish Shabbat at sundown, the indoor portion of the vigil concluded and participants joined hundreds of others who had been waiting outside.

The students and others sang a series of songs, including Havdalah, a prayer marking the end of Shabbat.

One student said she had learned about anti-Semitic violence as a matter of history, but “this is Squirrel Hill,” she said.

At one point late in the vigil, the crowd began a chant: “Vote! Vote! Vote!”

Many in the crowd blamed the rhetoric of President Donald Trump and his allies, which they said fomented dangerous divisions against immigrants, refugees and others.

Jamie Forrest of Squirrel Hill said he feels “primarily a deep sadness” over events.

He lived in New York City during and after the 9/11 attacks, and “it has a very similar feeling to me,” in which life is dramatically changed after the attacks.

Even after the formal vigil concluded, many stayed and continued to sing heartily.

One participant, Olivia Tucker, said the Jewish community remains strongly committed to the biblical mandate to “love the stranger in your midst.”

"I am a different Jew today than I was yesterday," said Sophia Levin, a sophomore at Allderdice. "I hope that the Jew I am today will be stronger."

Tree of Life synagogue, Miss Levin said, "used to be where my grandparents went and where my mother went."

While the students spoke in a damp, drizzling rain, inside the nearby Jewish Community Center, family members waited anxiously for news of their missing loved ones.


Allderdice students who organized the vigil at Forbes and Murray avenues included Isabel Smith, Peyton Klein, Marina Godley-Fisher, Rebecca Glickman and Emily Pressman.

James McCoy, principal of Allderdice, attended the vigil as did Debbie Genter, a social worker at the school. Ms. Genter said students contacted her throughout the day. Mr. McCoy said he and his staff would meet Sunday morning to plan for the coming week because so many Allderdice students have been affected by the shooting.

Marina Godley-Fisher, who lives on Denniston Street, learned about the shooting from a neighbor who awakened her.

"My whole street was blocked off," she said.

Later, she gathered with her classmates at a Starbuck's at Forbes and Murray to plan the vigil.

"None of us wanted to be alone. It was a little bit too scary," Miss Godley-Fisher added.

Dozens of people also gathered in prayer outside the Tree of Life synagogue Saturday night to honor the people who died. Many sang. Some stood silently. Some held candles.

At the end Rabbi Yisroel Rosenfeld of the Lubavitch Center reminded the people gathered that, no matter how difficult or challenging the circumstances, they can continue to promote goodness in the world.

Goodness, he said after the service, chases away darkness.
 
Well, Trump did condemn the attack today as "evil" and "anti-semitic" and had a rabbi speak at the press conference.

According to the shooter's social media posts as cited by the Daily Mail, the shooter did not look to Trump as his leader, never owned a MAGA hat, didn't vote for him. He apparently considered Trump a puppet of the Jews (perhaps because Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem), and what I found laughable was he said Trump was a globalist (something the shooter hated). I guess he thought Trump was too liberal! What a crazy guy.
 
Trump is on the stump already back to attacking Democrats and all but blaming them for the Pittsburg shooting.
 
Fascinating. Do you know where I might find such a picture of the shooter with a MAGA hat?
I deleted that post. I confused this shooter with the MAGABomber. Apologies there are just so many Republican ISIS cells activating right now I get them confused.
 
I deleted that post. I confused this shooter with the MAGABomber. Apologies there are just so many Republican ISIS cells activating right now I get them confused.
:yup: great strategy....up next, abortion clinics, low income day care centers and caravan death squads :mwaha::mwaha::mwaha:
 
Most Republicans would condemn these attacks, and many republicans have. In the same way we shouldn't call all muslims terrorists, let's not call all Republicans nazis or terrorists. Obviously, none of the Republicans running for office are advocating the acts of these people or would do such acts.

You calling two people, a bomber and a shooter, 'so many' 'that you get them confused' doesn't make sense. This is a thread about the shooter which you knew when you clicked on it.
 
Most Republicans would condemn these attacks, and many republicans have.

The shooter went off the deep end believing that "the Jews are responsible for the invading caravan of evil." Are any of these Republicans that you say are condemning the attack making an attempt to clarify that Trump's "caravan of evil" is a mad paranoid's fantasy so really there's no need for his faithful nitwits to go on killing sprees? Or are they still spewing about how the "caravan of evil" should be treated as a declaration of war?

The bomber went off the deep end trying to blow up what amounted to Trump's "top twenty of evil doers threatening America." Are any of these Republicans that you say are condemning the attack making an attempt to clarify that Trump's "top twenty" are actually elected representatives and members of the media who are doing their jobs to the best of their ability in the climate of paranoid madness Trump has created? Or are they still spewing about how the "fake news media and the demoncrats" are "tearing America apart" and are an existential threat?

Here's the thing...they aren't doing anything to rein in the madness they have released, and don't intend to. They are just trying to pretend that their hands are clean.
 
I need to maintain my disgusting rep
 
I need to maintain my disgusting rep

How exactly does this line of commenting apply to this "rep"? Or the topic at hand? I would have thought it would connect somehow, at least tangentially.
 
Just yanking your chain.... or alternatively, I forgot, its the alzheimers...:hammer2:

Moderator Action: Stop the trolling, please. --LM
 
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Trump is on the stump already back to attacking Democrats and all but blaming them for the Pittsburg shooting.
Apologies there are just so many Republican ISIS cells activating right now I get them confused.
These two sentences are fascinating when you consider that they were written within 15 Minutes from one another.
 
I thought this thread was an extension of the RL pictures thread and had pics of Lemon Merchant in a Synagogue :( My mind is just too pure

See this meme history: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thanks-obama

"Thanks Obama" started out as a jab at him by Republicans as they blamed everything bad on him. Now it has been captured by dems as a way to mock trump and republicans by sarcastically blaming Obama for things actually caused by republicans. Does that make sense?

makes complete sense and me, being non-American, I immediatly understood it
 
Most Republicans would condemn these attacks, and many republicans have. In the same way we shouldn't call all muslims terrorists, let's not call all Republicans nazis or terrorists. Obviously, none of the Republicans running for office are advocating the acts of these people or would do such acts.
None the less, the Republican Party bears no little culpability in creating an atmosphere in which these attacks have become frequent. It is not simply enough the condemn terrorists, they must also be prepared to condemn demagogues in their own ranks.
 
Yeah, I know it just seemed a little stupid how they worded it. I just pictured in my head the police making an announcement to the effect of "Well, we are releasing the suspect as it turns out he was the wrong guy. The suspect just happened to be another old white male carrying a gun so we just assumed he was the guy. I mean, what are the chances of two of them being in the same place, right? Oh by the way, that means we still have an active shooter on the loose so watch out."

That's the trouble with 24hr news.
It needs stories but people can only handle a few stories at once so you have to have constant updates.
 
Are ball gags usually made of wood?
 
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