The future of Tesla

It should be noted that this is a very common impression of the degree by the working class and the professional class. "People on this thread" is belittling the point being made a bit, in my opinion anyways.
I dunno, maybe it's because I've taken classes in the school by professors of one of the top MBA programs in this country, meeting some of the then-older students in the graduate school where this all goes on, and it's like, yeah, you learn some stuff but a whole lot of it is teaching you to be confident in your business acumen. They trust if you got that far in the admission process that you are the real deal and will learn what you need for the specific industry you end up in, but it's not in the curriculum, necessarily.
 
Tesla keeps mistreating employees and firing those who object to this. It is Musk doing this.
A preschool friend of mine I ran into on the street a year or two ago told me of how he got injured in the tesla plant in Hayward (the plant famous as a previously GM-Toyota venture that Tesla took over around the time of the 2008 crash). Only person I knew to work there.
 
From Reuters.
Volkswagen investing 50 Billion in electric cars

VW will spend almost 44 billion euros ($50 billion) on developing electric cars, autonomous driving and new mobility services by 2023 and explore further areas of cooperation with U.S. automaker Ford (F.N).
Diess said he hoped to have an outline agreement on cooperation with Ford fleshed out by the end of the year, with the initial focus on commercial vehicles. He added that a merger with Ford was not on the agenda and also said there were no plans to take a stake in the American company.
Mass producing electric cars will help the carmaker reduce the cost to the same level as current diesel vehicles, Diess said at a news conference in Wolfsburg, VW’s home town

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...llion-electrification-plan-idUSKCN1NL0JX?il=0
 
Volkswagen? I assume they'll exceed the emissions limits and lie about it somehow.
they weren't the only one doing it, they were the only one to apologize.
 
Who else? I can expand my garbage-companies list. Hitlercars already rank at least three tiers under Monsatan for total BS factor.
 
Cool, couple more for the list! :) Might come up with snappy names for them too, though fiat is too conveniently rhymey to be anything unexpected.
 
As a big fan of SpaceX, I've mostly seen it as that separate CEO of Tesla doing stupid stuff

Actually CoO Gwynne Shotwell is the actual runner of SpaceX.

The smoking weed stuff was cool though.

But honestly, those far off ambitions of Musk are just cool. It's like talks of guys like the infamous Robert Zubrin who has been proposing Mars Direct for decades, way before the reuse of orbital rocket stages was even a viable ideal.

Musk wants to be a name like those of the old immortal heroes by the virtue of his acheivements. The Von Braun of his time, if not more. Zubrin is a skeptic of the specific methods of Musk, while still an admirerer of his acheivements and his future ambitions. Musk, by making reusable orbital boosters that much closer to reality has made a huge leap in human technology (not just him personally, obviously. If the New Glenn is as good as proposed it might be a better trip to orbit than the Falcon Heavy or even the BFR and be the stairway to heaven through Blue Origin rather than SpaceX).

At 1:31:00 there is the view of Zubrin of the chances of SpaceX reaching Mars by 2022/24 as currently proposed by Musk, (1%,) and his view of him as a person which I view as more objective than many others.

And at 0:08:00 minutes in showing how the recent developments by SpaceX has spurred huge developments all over the industry and related ones. I recommend you just watch all of it.


"They are building components of the BFR right now." And that is well documented in several aspects. That to me is not out to just make money, it's all in on doing something amazing.
 
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As a big fan of SpaceX, I've mostly seen it as that separate CEO of Tesla doing stupid stuff

Actually CoO Gwynne Shotwell is the actual runner of SpaceX.

The smoking weed stuff was cool though.

But honestly, those far off ambitions of Musk are just cool. It's like talks of guys like the infamous Robert Zubrin who has been proposing Mars Direct for decades, way before the reuse of orbital rocket stages was even a viable ideal.

Musk wants to be a name like those of the old immortal heroes by the virtue of his acheivements. The Von Braun of his time, if not more. Zubrin is a skeptic of the specific methods of Musk, while still an admirerer of his acheivements and his future ambitions. Musk, by making reusable orbital boosters that much closer to reality has made a huge leap in human technology (not just him personally, obviously. If the New Glenn is as good as proposed it might be a better trip to orbit than the Falcon Heavy or even the BFR and be the stairway to heaven through Blue Origin rather than SpaceX).

At 1:31:00 there is the view of Zubrin of the chances of SpaceX reaching Mars by 2022/24 as currently proposed by Musk, (1%,) and his view of him as a person which I view as more objective than many others.

And at 0:08:00 minutes in showing how the recent developments by SpaceX has spurred huge developments all over the industry and related ones. I recommend you just watch all of it.


"They are building components of the BFR right now." And that is well documented in several aspects. That to me is not out to just make money, it's all in on doing something amazing.
It is very easy to underestimate the massive influence SpaceX has had on the space industry. The company could crash and burn tomorrow (pun intended) and their impact would live on. One huge thing that's been happening in a completely invisible manner is that SpaceX has trained a bumper crop of engineers to break with precedent when they need to. In an industry as conservative as this one, that's a huge deal.

And oddly enough, SpaceX's mistreatment of employees has been a boon for everyone else. They've had so much churn that there is now a premium employers will pay for former SpaceX-ers and a lot of hot new companies were founded by alumni. These same engineers are quickly changing cultures within the companies that land at after SpaceX which is overall a good thing. Every established company in the industry takes swipes at SpaceX when they can but eagerly snatch up and poach their talent because of their experience there and not in spite of it.


Anyways -

Turns out that Tesla almost died and Elon et al have been lying through their teeth whenever they brag about how well the company has been doing. It does appear like they've gotten through the bottleneck but as I've said before they tend to bite off more than they can chew.

There's also a new 60 Minutes interview where he discusses his disdain for the SEC but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.
 
they weren't the only one doing it, they were the only one to apologize.
Well to be fair, the company was literally founded by Hitler.
 
What do you think of Musk's HyperLoop? Solving transportation issues with fast transport in underground tunnels. Is it doable? Is it shooting sparrows with cannons?
 
What do you think of Musk's HyperLoop? Solving transportation issues with fast transport in underground tunnels. Is it doable? Is it shooting sparrows with cannons?

Its a pipedream atm. The technology doesn't exist yet.
In the mean time there are things cities can do to reduce the air pollution thats shortening our lives. Affordable public transport being the easiest to achieve.
 
I'm kind of hoping the HyperLoop doesn't become reality because the material "footprint" seem to be quite big but I don't know for suuure.

And as you said, there are other things we can do: public transport, electrification, car pooling and cycling. And not congesting ourselves in big cities.

Other problems are noise! And I think many people die in auto-accidents.

It looks quite impressive though.
 
You guys are confusing hyperloop with boring company. Hyperloop is above ground, boring company creates car sized tunnels for cars to drive through. The size of boring company tunnels is actually kind of clever - cost to tunnel rises rapidly with diameter. By shrinking the tunnel to the minimum viable size, costs go way down, allowing you to build a lot more of them (and faster).
 
Right but they are not going to evacuate the air from the tunnels and if they ever do put any sort of pods in the tunnels it will be a ways down the line. For now they are just letting regular cars drive through them.
 
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