The Nostalgia Thread

[H4run]

Glad I ask you that question and thank you for the answer, cannot agree with everything you say but many things that you said here are gold, enlightening in someway.

the disobedience of first Eve

She is name Lilith right? I thought she was originated from Sumeria or Canaan mythology that get adopted and mentioned in Talmud.

That innocense of your own youth is something you can remember... but at the same time it is lost forever because you know too much... it is a nostalgia to your early past as kid to something you can never reach again.

This is interesting, because of the original sin it cannot be refer as the white paper get tarnished by things that one see and did. So it's knowledge that resulted the lost of innocence. I remember what Mencius said, wisdom is having the heart of a child, and knowledge of an adult. The lost of innocent is a process of desensitization or a result of distortion.

In Paradise everything was provided like your parents do. And the punishment is being expelled from being provided: you stand on your own and life is a struggle. Like becoming an adult starting your own life and household.

This is interesting, driven away from paradise, can be used as a metaphor like driven away from the comfort dependency of one parent.

Having now as adult that responsibility of your own household, family, kids you learn to see risks that threaten your struggle in being a good responsible parent. The older you get, the more risks you can see. Your "fear" for the future, for what can go wrong, is now part and parcel of your life.
How to take control of your future and improve, how to avoid doom ?

I think this is one the reason why childhood nostalgia is very powerful. The combination of innocent and absent of responsibility, when you are not a captain of yourselves and you don't own your own vessel, it's pretty much a care-free life.

Ideology gives you a tool for that and Hope as well. Ideology more the rational systemic approach like theology (more for the elite, the intellectuals). Hope more simple, more the romantic or Faith approach (more for the people to busy with practical living).

Is intellectual the only factor here? mmm... You can give your life for ideology. I have a friend who dare to reject scholarship to foreign country, to get expel from famous university for something that he believe in, a genius but end up live as a farmer in some part of his life.

And youth are tend to be more idealist because they "know" the truth, and they have nothing but themselves. But when you have wife and children, can you sacrifice them for what you think is right? I bet even that friend of mine will live practically if his wife and children at stake (not him)

This is coincidentally resonated with what Mencius said:

I like fish, and I also like bear's paws. If I cannot have the two together, I will let the fish go, and take the bear's paws. So, I like life, and I also like righteousness. If I cannot keep the two together, I will let life go, and choose righteousness.

When you have your family, you live practically because you don't want to put people that you love at risk. Sacrificing yourselves is easy, but sacrificing someone that important for you, that's hard.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Persistence only works if you throw in a degree of stalking. You needed to ask about only the right albums.

I will admit that an early and more benign version of stalking was involved. I persisted in trying to strike up a conversation with her for 9 months. She was just as persistent in denying me that opportunity. Finally under pressure from her roommates, she relented and we talked. We spoke as we crossed paths on campus. We went on a date. She moved in with me. Two years later we were married. Our 50th wedding anniversary is next mount.

 

[AdamCrock]

I will admit that an early and more benign version of stalking was involved. I persisted in trying to strike up a conversation with her for 9 months. She was just as persistent in denying me that opportunity. Finally under pressure from her roommates, she relented and we talked. We spoke as we crossed paths on campus. We went on a date. She moved in with me. Two years later we were married. Our 50th wedding anniversary is next mount.

Like she was "washing her hair that night" for several months ? I mean good for You ! The rest of it sound like a "rule-book" romance scheme "Date->Dinner-> other stuff It is super nice though ! Girl knew what she was doing (or not). Cool irresistible guy like that , too hard too pass on

Anyways I wish some day a girl would feel something like this for me too I mean the latter part , not the "Sorry I am washing my hair tonight and I can't go" part

 

[Zardnaar]

No snes? man you miss a lot, but you got yourselves Sega "Genesis" though. I play Sega for a short time, before it get robbed. I mostly play platform game in Sega, Snes introduced me with Rpg.

You could hire them and friend had one via Australia. They're were rare vs Megadrive. They existed, not many people had them though. They weren't in the shops locally but were in the cities.

 

[H4run]

I persisted in trying to strike up a conversation with her for 9 months

That's insane struggle. It must feel really good to finally "got" her.

 

[Zardnaar]

9 month chase lol.

Here it's more sample first and if you like each other in the morning it keeps going.

 

[H4run]

9 month chase lol.

Here it's more sample first and if you like each other in the morning it keeps going.

Perhaps in your time is similar like mine, if you can get her photo, or ask her for private photobox and hangout to cinema just two of you, that's a good sign for next level of intinacy lol. Put the pic in your wallet

 

[Zardnaar]

Perhaps in your time is similar like mine, if you can get her photo, or ask her for private photobox and hangout to cinema just two of you, that's a good sign for next level of intinacy lol. Put the pic in your wallet

It's usually a friend if a friend or via a workmate. Tinder maybe these days but idk.

More formal is ask them for coffee. Going in a wine and dine date with a stranger happens but doesn't seem common.

It's been a while since I've hung out with younger women but they used to complain a lot about meeting someone nice. University town, messed up gender ratio. For the guys it's an all you can eat buffet.

 

[Birdjaguar]

That's insane struggle. It must feel really good to finally "got" her.

It was certainly worth it. Romance back then was not at all like it is now.

 

[H4run]

It's usually a friend if a friend or via a workmate. Tinder maybe these days but idk.

More formal is ask them for coffee. Going in a wine and dine date with a stranger happens but doesn't seem common.

It's been a while since I've hung out with younger women but they used to complain a lot about meeting someone nice. University town, messed up gender ratio. For the guys it's an all you can eat buffet.

No no man what I meant is during your youth in 90s or early 2000. Right now there are so many stuff and I'm foreign from that.

I remember banging my house phone's bill calling my gf until my parents lock the phone.

 

[Zardnaar]

No no man what I meant is during your youth in 90s or early 2000. Right now there are so many stuff and I'm foreign from that.

I remember banging my house phone's bill calling my gf until my parents lock the phone.

Cell phones were really new.

1999/2000 it was mostly get drunk, try hard and usually fail.

All my girlfriends were friends of friends type deals. Never been on an American style TV date were you go to a cafe or bar.

I chased my wife two weeks, she initiated things and in November 20th anniversary. University was another big one for meeting someone.

Partying and bars might work, didn't work long term for anyone I know.

By chase I mean spent two weeks trying to hang out with her, apparently she liked me after the first week. She always said yes to invites to hang out or whatever.

 

[H4run]

1999/2000 it was mostly get drunk, try hard and usually fail.

Pretty much, going out mostly just to get drunk or high somewhere then continue other places. If I keep doing like that I'm a dead man now, and many of my youth friend pass away actually. I guess u have similar exp, at my time especially end of 90s film like trainspotting and many other stuff help to coined junkies as fashion and culture. Dark time really.

 

[Zardnaar]

Pretty much, going out mostly just to get drunk or high somewhere then continue other places. If I keep doing like that I'm a dead man now, and many of my youth friend pass away actually. I guess u have similar exp, at my time especially end of 90s film like trainspotting and many other stuff help to coined junkies as fashion and culture. Dark time really.

Wasn't big on getting high. Was very rare event.

Same as 80s, same now. The street parties just got bigger with social media.

Local street party 1999.

Now.
2012

2017

Top thumbnail is a 50 litre beer keg. Used to do keg stands on them. You do a handstand on top and they put the beer tap on your mouth.

American friend wasn't good at it and faceplanted the keg.

Less fires being set now vs the 90s.

 

[Zardnaar]

More memories. Used to be able to get a room like this for $25 USD per week 1996-2002.

The toilet would be intact though.

 

[Ferocitus]

I miss a few things from my yoof.
Cepelinai, Lithuania's national dish.
Palfium, now banned in most countries.
Fishing for an hour before dark after workers had gone home from the trout farm.
Being able to make a 100 break at snooker and billiards.
Olives stuffed with smoked salmon - why are they no longer available?
Drinking Benedictine straight from the bottle.
Hitch-hiking around Victoria and NSW when I was 15 and earning money playing pool.
Assembly language programming on a Commodore-64.
Being able to play the 1st 20 or so moves of the Sicilian Dragon from memory.
Laughing at Jesuits after they caned me and asking "More?".
Surfing at Airlie Beach in Queensland.
My Humber Super Snipe.
Fred Dagg / John Clarke - RIP, sniff

 

[Lexicus]

some songs capturing nostalgia for an earlier era of music

 

[yung.carl.jung]

It was certainly worth it. Romance back then was not at all like it is now.

how would you know though, seeing as you've presumably not split from your wife and experience "modern romance"?

 

[Birdjaguar]

how would you know though, seeing as you've presumably not split from your wife and experience "modern romance"?

We have two children in their 30s. A son and a daughter. In addition, I do try to keep you with how things change. However, I do not use FB, Tinder, or any of the other apps folks use nowadays.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

We have two children in their 30s. A son and a daughter. In addition, I do try to keep you with how things change. However, I do not use FB, Tinder, or any of the other apps folks use nowadays.

I get that it is extremely easy to look down on love and romance in the 21st century, but consider this: even with all the hollywood bs romance being thoroughly ingrained in our heads and lifestyles, even with Tinder and Grindr being a thing and love being more and more of a commodity ever day, there is still this:

almost all young people are united insofar as we grow up in extremely fast-paced, complicated, rootless times. we have no multigenerational households. we likely change jobs many times in our life. our identities are fractured, we are atomized as indivduals, we lack a strong safety net, we lack human contact, we lack a future for our kids, for our planet, and we even lack utopian ideas. we won't even know if we get to retire, at all, or if the world will still be there. and that is what love is in the 21st century, overcoming all these hurdles together, staying together irregardless of toxic outside influences, coping together with the mundaneness and the horrors of life, imagining a future together when there might not be one. yeah, you had your cold war, but you never had this. love in the 21st century is precarious, but it's still, sometimes, very beautiful

 

[Birdjaguar]

I get that it is extremely easy to look down on love and romance in the 21st century, but consider this: even with all the hollywood bs romance being thoroughly ingrained in our heads and lifestyles, even with Tinder and Grindr being a thing and love being more and more of a commodity ever day, there is still this:

almost all young people are united insofar as we grow up in extremely fast-paced, complicated, rootless times. we have no multigenerational households. we likely change jobs many times in our life. our identities are fractured, we are atomized as indivduals, we lack a strong safety net, we lack human contact, we lack a future for our kids, for our planet, and we even lack utopian ideas. we won't even know if we get to retire, at all, or if the world will still be there. and that is what love is in the 21st century, overcoming all these hurdles together, staying together irregardless of toxic outside influences, coping together with the mundaneness and the horrors of life, imagining a future together when there might not be one. yeah, you had your cold war, but you never had this. love in the 21st century is precarious, but it's still, sometimes, very beautiful

I don't look down on what happens today at all. It's just different. Technology changed everything. I expect more changes in the next 20 years. I might see some of them. We all use the tools we have to the best of our ability. Our goals though have been and are pretty much the same throughout the ages: love, romance, sex, companionship, security. It's multiple choice!