The Speech

However, I was impressed by Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Barack Obama's speeches.

Michelle Obama and Joe Biden, not so much.

My mind could be made up tomorrow depending on McCain's VP choice.

I think Clinton's speech was great...makes me miss him a bit...strange...

I hate Al Gore like the devil hates holy water, so I can't say the same for him.

Can I ask, which VP selections would make you jump for McCain?

~Chris
 
I swear I heard that speech before....... that's right its the exact same talking points I've been hearing all week.

Really? One of the things I found great about it (Yes, I've calmed down a bit, realized it's not quite the best speech ever) was how he addressed every major Republican criticism. He's never done that before.
 
I noticed that too. He tried explaining it with vague references to "corporate loopholes" and cutting tax breaks to companies that outsource jobs. Somehow that other 5% and loopholes will provide for health care and education (an army of new teachers!)
[disclaimer: I didn't get to listen to the speech. Is there a transcript available?]

So neither campaign's fiscal numbers add up. Somehow, I'm not suprised.

My mind could be made up tomorrow depending on McCain's VP choice.
Good luck! I'm waiting for the debates.
 
I think Clinton's speech was great...makes me miss him a bit...strange...

I hate Al Gore like the devil hates holy water, so I can't say the same for him.

Can I ask, which VP selections would make you jump for McCain?

~Chris

I meant it in a way of jumping away from McCain. :)

Romney: There is no way I would ever vote for a ticket with him on it. Ever.

Huckabee: A very slim chance I would vote McCain/Huckabee.

I don't know much about Pawlenty, but he seems like a staunch budget hawk.

Ridge: only thing I know about him is from the news saying he is pro-choice. I remember him being the head of Homeland Security.

Powell: Where do I sign up? :please:

If the pick is Pawlenty, I will have to see the RNC and then debates.
 
I think he threaded the needle nicely. Very tough on McCain; enough of what passes for specifics for the average disengaged voters and the emotional appeal to American exceptionalism and a hopeful future that got him there. I am too much of an Obama supporter to know if my judgment is clouded but I think it was a great political speech. We shall see.
 
maybe we should go back to the system where the second place guy of the election gets VP
 
It can't pay for much.

If we give it to John McCain, he'll further lose count of how many houses he has.
Obama, on the other hand, would reinvest it in education, infrastructure, and health care.
How about giving millions of children a better education? Apparently, that doesn't ring with you.
 
I agree Chris. We need that congress back in action. After all they were the ones who saved the Clinton presidency from that abysmal catastrophy it was in the first 2 years. Where do we find fresh people like those in that successful congress so we can elect them today?

On a side note how does the former President get all the credit for all of it when he vetoed 2 of the key motions that made it all work a couple times before he signed it?

It's more congress that has control over these things. And the 109th and 110th congress (to which I've begun to ponder the fact that Barrack Obama was first elected to) has an abysmal performance record. They sit on their hands and do nothing, or just argue all day and do nothing. The only thing they agree on is their salaries and the buget for conventions. Republican controlled or Democrat controlled, it didn't matter. Both 109 and 110 are horrible congress'. Nacy Peloski is incompetant. Bring back Newt!

But anyway, the speech...

Same old stuff and even the same old tone of voice we've heard a million times before on the campaign. Loved it the first couple times I heard it, but that was 9 months ago. Today, as I know more about the man and the candidate himself, I was bugged by it. Because I see alot of incongruence in what Obama does compared to what Obama says. It's the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality that he reaks. I see a typical old fashioned politician that sounds good but never tells you exactly how he's going to do it, and when you look beneath the surface you have very good reason to be skeptical about because his past actions contradict his present words. If I continued to listen to Obama, I'd think he could make himself walk on water or something. I have yet to hear the HOW to his "he will"... and that's pretty bad for saying he'd define change in the speech. He still used mostly vague, broad strokes of rhetoric.

It's frustrating to me as someone still looking for that great inspirational bi-partisan candidate. Because the more I look deeper, the more I feel Obama just isn't what he wants people to believe he is. There are several facts about Obama to lead me to that conclusion, but for the sake of energy and your attention span, I'll leave it at that. I love Joe Biden though. Biden is truely authentic. He's the real deal... and he's got a backbone with foreign policy experience.

Who will I vote for? Still don't know. We'll have to see who John McCain picks for Vice President.
 
As opposed to the trillions in debt that Bush added and McCain promised to add?

Please get your facts straight.

McCains projected budget increase: 7 billion.

Obamas projected budge increase: 300+ billion.

Which do you think is going to add to government and grow debt?

As for Obamas speech, yeah, whoopee. Its one of the few things the guy is really good at. Lets see how he does in a debate on his feet.
 
@Mobboss, do you have a single reliable source for your claims? (By reliable I mean non-partisan, not some political hack fest like IBD or Human Events.)

Edit to clarify, the closest I could find was a plan that would $130 billion, with $80 billion in his middle class tax cut. that's about a hundred million off from your estimate. Keep in mind none of this reflects Obama's plans to pull out of Iraq. If we can even halve our costs, were saving $170.7 million per day, I think we can afford some spending increase. Just getting things up to speed with where they would be if Bush hadn't needed a ton of cash for his war.
 
I really liked the speech, but politicians are good at speaking . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Does anyone know where I can find Obama's actual economic plans and not stupid references to them?
 
I really liked the speech, but politicians are good at speaking . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Does anyone know where I can find Obama's actual economic plans and not stupid references to them?

This is his economic plan. For someone who's all style and no substance, Obama sure has a lot of information.

For a more objective approach, try here.

And when your not sure if someone's lying to you, use this site.
 
Good links Miles.

About the bio just before the speech... anybody else notice they said nothing of his step father who was actually there with him more than his biological father? Calculated wouldn't you say? lol
 
@Mobboss, do you have a single reliable source for your claims? (By reliable I mean non-partisan, not some political hack fest like IBD or Human Events.)

Would you consider the National Taxpayers Organization non-partisan? This http://www.ntu.org/pdf/P080303_ObamaAgendaCostUpdate.pdf puts Obamas projected annual spending increase at 307.2 billion dollars. This one on McCain http://www.ntu.org/pdf/P0801McCain_Analysis.pdf from the same organization puts McCains projected increase at 6.9 billion.

Does that satisfy your thirst for a non-partisan source?
 
How did we slip from "debt" to "spending increase"? What are the figures for money gained in other areas?

Wikipedia on the National Taxpayers Union said:
Categories: Conservative organizations in the United States | New Right (United States) | Political advocacy groups in the United States | Taxation in the United States | Organizations established in 1969
Looks at least partisan if not hackjob. Unless, of course, Wikipedia's liberal bias strikes again. ;)
 
Mediocre for Obama. His attacks on McCain were lackluster (and disengenuous), despite the insinuation by the Democratic machine that this speech would be about content rather than platitudes it was not, and his call for debates on foreign policy were faux bravado and obviously so. He needs to drop the "four more years" mantra, it hasn't carried with voters and is actaully a rather childish false flag. Worst of all was the end, where he predictably and transparently tried to usurp the MLK legacy. Honestly, how much more staged and falsely sentimental can you get? Oh, and yet again he brings in race when he said he wouldn't.

That being said, he did deliver it very well, the man knows how to perform and speak in front of audiences. He had that preacher tone again, but thats what his audience likes so why not? In the end he accomplished what he wanted, rally the base and send them home energized, and since he was speaking to a sympathetic audience that really didn't care what he said anyway, that energy is what was important.

The Greek temple thing was stupid.
 
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