Theories on Smoking

I don't hate smokers, I just think they should all... stop smoking.
 
It is best of all, I think, not to ever start.

(Except for those very rare individuals who can take it or leave it. So rare, I'm a bit dubious about their existence.)

And I speak from the standpoint of having started and having had loads of trouble stopping.
 
Sometimes people urinate in public places.

From this, I conclude that urination is a disgusting habit and everyone who urinates is a barbarian.
 
@Valessa
But you don't seem to be motivated by your concern for smokers, but rather by your disgust of smoking. And see, I have grown up in an environment where by far not all smoke, but enough smoke, and there was never that kind of stigma threads like this perpetuate. And in those environments, non of the non-smokers have the kind of disgust and vile experiences you apparently have. What I am saying is, it is not just that smokers are disgusting, it is that you seem to be extremely focused on being disgusted by them. So I think your attitude is not so much about smokers but yourself. And it is a pretty nasty side of yourself, IMO. Born out of ugly smugness.
 
nicotine stimulates receptors in the frontal lobe that enhance concentration.
 
Sometimes people urinate in public places.

From this, I conclude that urination is a disgusting habit and everyone who urinates is a barbarian.
Agreed. But it's fine, after all people usually do it inside your own home, or at least in a public bathroom where I can't see you. Urinating in public places is generally frowned upon.

@Valessa
But you don't seem to be motivated by your concern for smokers, but rather by your disgust of smoking. And see, I have grown up in an environment where by far not all smoke, but enough smoke, and there was never that kind of stigma threads like this perpetuate. And in those environments, non of the non-smokers have the kind of disgust and vile experiences you apparently have. What I am saying is, it is not just that smokers are disgusting, it is that you seem to be extremely focused on being disgusted by them. So I think your attitude is not so much about smokers but yourself. And it is a pretty nasty side of yourself, IMO. Born out of ugly smugness.
Wow, this is very offensive.

First of all. I'm not, like, smug. I'm just right, okay? The objective objectivity of smoking being disgusting can simply not be denied.

Secondly. Do yourself a favor, quit smoking!
 
I love smoking but I definately do not see myself dominant when smoking. Smokers are most openly hated minority todays.
 
Cigarette smoking is probably the most disgusting habit that is legal & tolerated. It's repulsivity & unhealthfulness is beyond a shadow of a doubt, and yet many people still do it. Why?
I don't know why my parents started, whether it was peer pressure, something they associated with being "grownup" or because they thought it was something that would alleviate stress.

I can't ask them, either. My mother died of cancer nearly 3 years ago. Even in her last few months, when she knew she was dying, she still smoked.

As for my dad, the reason I can't ask him is because he has dementia and literally doesn't remember most of his own life. The one favor dementia did for him was to stop his craving for nicotine. He was smoking the same day I found him in the garage, completely out of it, not really aware of anything. After he was able to speak coherently again, he said he couldn't remember smoking, and didn't want to smoke. Thank goodness. But I've still given orders at every hospital and nursing home he's been in over the past nearly-10-years, that he is not to be around anyone who is smoking, and is never to be offered anything alcoholic to drink. His mind doesn't remember, and I don't want anything to give it a hint.

My theory is that it's a dominance strategy. By ruining the air quality of anyone within 20 feet of you essentially you are committing a subtle form of assault on them.
My grandfather smoked for most of his life, until one day his doctor told him, "If you don't quit, I'm going to buy you a shovel so you can dig your own grave."

So my grandfather quit. Cold turkey, the same year I was born. But he still died of it 23 years later, partly because my dad never quit smoking. My dad wouldn't stop smoking in the house even when my grandfather had to go on oxygen - and of course you're not supposed to smoke around that.

It wasn't until after my grandfather had died, and my dad was still smoking in the house, that my own allergies were getting much worse. Apparently collapsing and even throwing up from breathing in that crap wasn't making any kind of impression. So finally one day, I asked my dad, "Why are you trying to kill me?"

I guess that's one thing that never occurred to him. He stopped smoking in the house after that. He never quit completely, though, until the day the dementia basically rewired his brain. It hasn't made a bit of difference to his lungs, though. He's been diagnosed with COPD (the same thing that killed Leonard Nimoy a few years ago), and is on oxygen.

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I really dislike your current avatar.

Not if you care about yourself more than caring about fitting in. Anyway, I've never known people to judge me for not smoking, I think of myself as a good influence.
Not even friends or family who smoke? I've been asked "When are you going to grow up? Grownups smoke."

Well, I don't drink, either. Grownups apparently do that. And whatever my faults are, at least I'm not going to be someone poisoning the air of people around me, or killing anyone due to drunk driving.

Well nobody knows how many people are smoking alone in their rooms.
It should be obvious once they leave their rooms and other people smell it on their clothes or hair.

I always knew exactly which of my typing customers were smokers. They didn't smoke in my house (one or two tried, but I told them it's a no-smoking zone), but the paper their stuff was written on just reeked. In one instance it was so bad that I couldn't even breathe around it. So - and I am not kidding - my grandmother and I attached the papers to the clothesline outside to let them air out for awhile. When I had to buckle down and type the thing, each paper was enclosed in a clear freezer bag and sealed. And I still got coughing fits from it.

...tiny whiffs in an open space will extremely likely not kill you at all, not even slowly, but u know, something else.
Who are you to say how it feels in someone else's body? Depending on the kind of cigarette it is, yes, there have been times when a "tiny whiff" has led to me literally upchucking. For most of my life it's been a necessity to keep alert when I'm in public, to see if the person approaching me on the street or coming up behind is smoking. I need to know when to hold my breath, so I won't have to breath in any secondhand smoke. Just a couple of weeks ago, I had to find somewhere to stand upwind of some smokers while waiting for the bus to take me home. Of course all the seats were downwind of them.

Car fumes, for instance, pose much greater risk. Or sitting around a bonfire.
I try to minimize the amount of car fumes I breathe in, and sitting around a campfire is also out of the question. I used to enjoy wiener roasts. But in my late teens, it got to the point where I couldn't tolerate smoke anymore. Of any kind.
 
Well I've never tried a cigar so maybe it tastes awesome but I still suspect you're fooling yourself.
Thanks for knee-jerk assuming I'm delusional instead of reevaluating ones own beliefs. :)
 
Valka you are welcome to share your personal experiences and issues, but those are not necessarily what is discussed, at any given moment.
Terxpahseyton, you are welcome to not read my posts if they displease you.

I was on-topic, and you don't have the authority here to say what I may or may not share.

If you feel that my post violates the rules, that's what the "report" link is for.
 
I don't much understand smoking, when considered in an isolated way. There doesn't seem to be much of a good justification for it. Of course, people aren't generally required to justify their actions to others, so instead I'm interested in explanations. And I understand the concepts of addiction of peer pressure. But while those might be satisfactory explanations for an individual cigarette or short-term habit, they hold less explanatory value for smoking as a long-term habit or lifestyle choice which people would defend, and less explanatory value for the circumstances giving rise to the peer pressure to smoke (if the reason for having a cigarette is that everyone else is, why is everyone else?).

I think it's a cultural thing, as distinct from a social thing. I'm in a particular culture where the idea of smoking it bit like the idea of doing meth; the suggestion would be met with the simple puzzled question, why? I don't think I know anyone who smokes. I may have met someone who smokes once or twice. So while I can appreciate the social and addictive explanations for someone else smoking, they're quite academic and foreign to me. Ziggy won't like this analogy, but it's also a bit like how I understand the social forces that might result in someone embarking upon a life of gang crime. Or perhaps a closer analogy, it's like how I understand why people might go out in the sun to get a tan in Australia, despite the fact that that's one of the leading causes of cancer in the country. My understanding is simply the product of anthropological curiosity.

So I don't find it's particular useful to argue with someone about whether their smoking is objectively good or bad - it's essentially arguing whether their culture is good or bad. The only useful argument comes when you consider the impacts of smoking on others, and limitations put in place in order to minimise those impacts.
 
By the way Narz. Do those good friends of you fit the profile?
A lil bit, my smoking friends are more aggressive & self-destructive than my non-smoking friends.

Well not harmless, but relatively harmless. A smoke here and there most likely won't kill you. But for many people, it just doesn't work like that, at some point. However, I do know people who seem immune to being addicted. They smoke only very few each month and never go beyond that. And I think the harm of that is plainly negligible in the grand scale of things.
My mom is like this, she can smoke a cig a day til the back is out and then not smoke for a year. Seems pretty rare though.

Sometimes people urinate in public places.

From this, I conclude that urination is a disgusting habit and everyone who urinates is a barbarian.
Pissing is a necessity.

Thanks for knee-jerk assuming I'm delusional instead of reevaluating ones own beliefs. :)
My belief is correct, smoking is gross. Maybe cigars taste good to some people, seems dumb though & it kills you & annoys those around you with working noses so I won't find out. I don't have the time or inclination to explore the dumb beliefs of every schmuck on the internet.
 
My belief is correct, smoking is gross. Maybe cigars taste good to some people, seems dumb though & it kills you & annoys those around you with working noses so I won't find out.
I didn't say smoking wasn't gross, or dumb or deadly or that some people find it annoying. I said it feels good which it does. I have found cigar smoking to be a pleasant and enjoyable sensation.

I don't have the time or inclination to explore the dumb beliefs of every schmuck on the internet.
You asked why people smoke. I would think the fact that smoking being a pleasant experience would be relevant information.
 
Pissing is a necessity.

Not in public though. Ina modern society, one is never so far from a toilet to justify urinating on the street like a stray dog.
 
Not in public though. Ina modern society, one is never so far from a toilet to justify urinating on the street like a stray dog.
Sometimes I take walks in residential areas in which public toilets are relatively rare.
 
Sometimes I take walks in residential areas in which public toilets are relatively rare.

Are you really so far from home/work during these walks that you can't hold it until you get to a toilet?

EDIT: Plus, public urination in a residential area is a sure-fire way to end up on a sex-offender list. You know, because children.
 
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